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After years of war, the Federation and the Klingon empire find themselves on the brink of a peace summit when a Klingon ship is nearly destroyed by an apparent attack from the Enterprise. Both worlds brace for what may be their deadliest encounter.

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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

1991, Sci-fi, 1h 49m

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The Undiscovered Country is a strong cinematic send-off for the original Trek crew, featuring some remarkable visuals and an intriguing, character-driven mystery plot. Read critic reviews

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Capt. James Kirk (William Shatner) and the crew of the USS Enterprise are carrying Klingon Chancellor Gorkon (David Warner) to Earth to negotiate a peace treaty with the United Federation of Planets. The ship appears to fire on a Klingon vessel, and Gorkon is killed in the subsequent confusion. Kirk and the ship's doctor, Leonard McCoy (DeForest Kelley), are arrested for murder, leaving Spock (Leonard Nimoy) to figure out who is behind the attack and save the negotiations.

Genre: Sci-fi

Original Language: English

Director: Nicholas Meyer

Producer: Steven-Charles Jaffe , Ralph Winter

Writer: Leonard Nimoy , Lawrence Konner , Mark Rosenthal , Nicholas Meyer , Denny Martin Flinn

Release Date (Theaters): Dec 6, 1991  wide

Release Date (Streaming): Dec 16, 2009

Box Office (Gross USA): $71.7M

Runtime: 1h 49m

Distributor: Paramount Pictures

Production Co: Paramount Pictures

Sound Mix: Dolby Stereo, Dolby A, Magnetic Stereo 6 Track, Surround, Stereo, Dolby Digital, Dolby SR

Aspect Ratio: Scope (2.35:1)

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Cast & Crew

William Shatner

Captain James Tiberius Kirk

Leonard Nimoy

Captain Spock

DeForest Kelley

Commander Leonard H. McCoy, M.D.

James Doohan

Captain Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott

Walter Koenig

Commander Pavel Andreievich Chekov

Nichelle Nichols

Commander Nyota Uhura

George Takei

Captain Hikaru Sulu

Kim Cattrall

Lieutenant Valeris

David Warner

Chancellor Gorkon

Christopher Plummer

General Chang

Mark Lenard

Vulcan Ambassador Sarek

Grace Lee Whitney

Commander Janice Rand

Brock Peters

Admiral Cartwright

Leon Russom

Chief in Command

Kurtwood Smith

Federation President

Rosanna DeSoto

Chancellor Azetbur

John Schuck

Klingon Ambassador

Michael Dorn

Colonel Worf

Paul Rossilli

Brigadier Kerla

Christian Slater

Excelsior Communications Officer

Nicholas Meyer

Lawrence Konner

Mark Rosenthal

Screenwriter

Denny Martin Flinn

Brooke Breton

Associate Producer

Marty Hornstein

Co-Producer

Steven-Charles Jaffe

Executive Producer

Ralph Winter

Alexander Courage

Additional Music

Cliff Eidelman

Original Music

Narita Hiro

Cinematographer

Ronald Roose

Film Editing

Mary Jo Slater

Herman F. Zimmerman

Production Design

Nilo Rodis-Jamero

Art Director

Mickey S. Michaels

Set Decoration

Dodie Shepard

Costume Design

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Star Trek's attempt at a murder mystery/political thriller. Story was the idea of Leonard Nimoy's and the entire movie seems pretty flat until the end when the crew of the Enterprise has to race to stop an assassination. Guess the entire original cast needed one big send off before the Next Generation cast took the torch.

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The Star Trek series has had its fair share of ups and downs with the previous 5 films, but luckily 'The Undiscovered Country' rights some of the wrongs of past entries all while presenting a fitting finale to the original crew's story. The film sees the return of the entire original Enterprise crew for one last ride. Much like the previous 5 films, it developed its own distinct story. Instead of saving wales, the crew were thrust into a mystery surrounding the death of the Klingon leader. The mystery behind why Kirk and Bones were charged with his murder is really what I appreciated most about the film. Instead of a largely comedic take or a space bound CGI fest, it was grounded with real mystery leaving the enterprise crew with one last epic task. Now the mystery doesn't necessarily last all that long if you realize how the film set up the story, but that also doesn't take away from the execution. As cheesy as the last 15 minutes are, it's hard not to feel a rush of emotion and a great sense of finality. I also appreciated how they took the Klingon side of things and brought it full circle as Kirk's regret and anger towards his son's death definitely plays a role. Even amongst the heavy mystery, we do get some great space action with improved visuals the 3rd act. As much as I think there have been much better entries in the series, The Undiscovered Country is about as fitting of a send-off for Shatner and crew as any Trek fan could have asked for. With an added intelligent script with important themes explored within the context of an epic conclusion, there's more than enough good material for fans and non-fans alike. +Satisfying conclusion +Mystery centric +Involvement of the Klingons -Cheesy -Some clumsy elements 7.2/10

After the somewhat lacking The Final Frontier, The Undiscovered Country manages to retain a new found vigor in storytelling in the franchise. I found this film to be the best since the Wrath of Kahn and it was a well crafted Science Fiction film that had a vibe that this one had something to prove. Although I didn't mind the previous film in the franchise, I felt that there was something missing. With this entry, the filmmakers manage to deliver a picture that adds what was missing, and it's an exciting, thrilling feature that has a good story, effective performances and memorable thrills. The Undiscovered Country is a much more refined sequel, one that is a return to form of the first few films, and in doing so, the filmmakers also add much needed depth to the story, which makes for a truly interesting film. This is a highly engaging film, one that is sure to delight fans of the franchise as well as genre fans. Considering that this is a sixth entry, the film manages to work well to entertain viewers and offer everything you'd expect from a Star Trek film. I think that this is one of the strongest efforts in the franchise, and not since the second film, has a film in this series been this good. The film may not be perfect, but it's nonetheless worthwhile entertainment for viewers that want an effective and memorable Science Fiction film to watch. There are plenty of good moments to be had here, and The Undiscovered Country is a strong entry in the franchise, and like I've said, one of the best since The Wrath of Kahn. With great effects, good performances, a well developed script, this film is a highly entertaining film going experience, one that is sure to entertain you from start to finish.

When Praxis, the Klingon moon and site of their energy production facility, explodes, the Klingons decide they must come to a peaceful agreement with the United Federation of Planets in order to survive. Much to his chagrin, Kirk (Shatner) is ordered to take the Enterprise to meet with Gorkon (Warner), the Klingon High Chancellor, and escort him to Earth to begin negotiating peace. After sharing a meal with the Klingons, someone on the Enterprise fires torpedoes at Gorkon's battlecruiser, disabling the anti-gravity mechanism. Two assassins in Starfleet suits, equipped with gravity boots, beam aboard and kill Gorkon. When Kirk and McCoy (Kelley) beam aboard to explain they weren't responsible, the Klingons refuse to listen, placing the pair on trial for Gorkon's murder. The original series of 'Star Trek' was known for tackling the contemporary issues of the day through a science fiction filter. While 'The Voyage Home' had addressed environmental issues, it did so in a blatant manner rather than an allegorical one. For the sixth film, Leonard Nimoy suggested a plot-line which would mirror the ending of the cold war, as the Berlin wall had just come down in 1989. The relationship between the Federation and the Klingons had always been a thinly veiled allegory of that of the U.S and U.S.S.R so it made sense to now bring the onscreen cold war to an end. With the preceding three movies directed by Nimoy and Shatner, the director of the series' best installment, 'Wrath of Khan', Nicholas Meyer, was brought back. As a result, this movie has a level of class that had been absent from Nimoy and Shatner's work. Despite working with the same level of budget, Meyer's film looks like a much larger scale movie, utilizing the relatively modest sets (many of which were borrowed from 'The Next Generation') to great effect. It's a shame Meyer never went on to bigger things as few of today's Hollywood directors have either his talent or integrity. Should you ever get the chance to listen to one of his DVD commentaries, I thoroughly recommend it, as he provides some great insights into the story-telling process. This was the final film to feature the original crew in its entirety and, although he would return in a reduced role in the next installment, Shatner really milks his screen time here, putting in a tour de force like only he can. Kirk had fought himself in the original series and does so again here, thanks to the shape-shifting alien played by Iman. The dialogue here references the actor's notorious ego as Kirk exclaims "I can't believe I kissed you", only for his adversary to reply "Must have been your life's ambition!". The legendary Plummer is fantastic as the Klingon, Chang, replete with an eyepatch nailed into his skull. Cattrall, relatively unknown at this point, is perfectly cast as a deceitful Vulcan. Youthful composer, Cliff Eidelman, took over soundtrack duties, providing one of the series' best. The opening credits theme is a rousing riff on Gustav Holst's 'The Planets', at Meyer's suggestion. There's little reference to previous Trek themes as Meyer wanted the score to feel like a "fresh start". This is the sort of Hollywood movie that's all too rare now, fun without being dumb, involving without being convoluted. It's a shame the cast found themselves at an age too advanced to be taken seriously any longer as, under Meyer's guidance, this film feels like a new beginning, with Trek just hitting its stride as a big-screen franchise. Although 'Generations' ends the story-line of Kirk, it's 'The Undiscovered Country' which really acts as a farewell to the original crew. A fitting farewell.

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An interstellar cataclysm cripples the Klingon Empire's homeworld, leading to their Chancellor seeking peace with the Federation. But covert acts attempt to thwart the peace process with the assassination of the Klingon Chancellor. With Captain James T. Kirk and Dr. Leonard McCoy as the prime suspects, the Starships Enterprise -A and Excelsior must attempt to uncover the truth before the conspirators can plunge the Federation and Klingon Empire into fullscale war!

  • 1.1 Prelude
  • 1.2 Act I – The Mission and Catastrophe
  • 1.3 Act II – The Trial and Spock's Investigation
  • 1.4 Act III – The Rescue and Revelation
  • 1.5 Act IV – Realizations and Confrontations
  • 1.6 Epilogue
  • 2 Log entries
  • 3.1.1 Hamlet
  • 3.1.2 Julius Caesar
  • 3.1.3 King Henry IV, Part II
  • 3.1.4 King Henry V
  • 3.1.5 The Merchant of Venice
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  • 3.2 General quotes
  • 4.1 Landmarks
  • 4.3 Story and production
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  • 4.7.1 Concept art
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  • 5 Awards and honors
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Prelude [ ].

Praxis exploding

" I cannot confirm the existence of Praxis. "

An explosion erupts, creating a massive subspace shock wave .

Aboard the USS Excelsior , Captain Hikaru Sulu takes a sip of tea , reads a report handed to him by his science officer Dimitri Valtane , and records his log :

USS Excelsior escapes shockwave

Excelsior emerges from the shockwave

Suddenly, red alert klaxons sound on the bridge as the subspace shockwave reaches the Excelsior , throwing Sulu and his crew to the deck. Sulu orders helmsman Lojur to turn Excelsior into the wave and the ship clears the disturbance. At his post, Valtane locates the origin of the shockwave – Praxis , a Klingon moon , which Sulu notes is the Empire 's key energy production facility. Sulu orders communications officer Janice Rand to hail the moon and offer their assistance, then asks Valtane for more data. Valtane, perplexed, says that he can confirm Praxis's location... but not its existence. An image appears on the viewscreen: Praxis, or rather barely half of it, ripped in two by some catastrophe, to the disbelieving horror of Sulu and the rest of the bridge crew. Rand reports that she has intercepted a message from Praxis and puts it up: the viewscreen is filled with the grisly image of a Klingon officer , standing on a deck heaving beneath his feet and surrounded by flames, shouting desperately at the pickup. The message abruptly cuts off and is replaced by an official transmission from Klingon Brigadier General Kerla , speaking for the Klingon High Command . Kerla explains that there has been an "incident" on Praxis, but that everything is under control and Federation assistance is not required, warning the Excelsior to obey treaty stipulations and remain outside the Neutral Zone .

Rand asks Sulu if they should notify Starfleet and Sulu simply replies: " Are you kidding?! "

Act I – The Mission and Catastrophe [ ]

Flag officers with service ribbons

" Ladies and gentlemen, the C-in-C. "

Two months later on Earth , the senior crew of the USS Enterprise -A assembles for a meeting at Starfleet Headquarters in San Francisco . The C-in-C of Starfleet opens the meeting, bluntly stating that the Klingon Empire has only fifty years of life left in it. Federation Special Envoy Spock announces that the destruction of Praxis has polluted the Klingon homeworld 's ozone so badly that the planet has only fifty years remaining without diverting resources from its significant military expenditures. At the behest of Vulcan ambassador Sarek , Spock has opened a dialogue with Klingon Chancellor Gorkon , who wishes to end all hostilities between the Empire and Starfleet, proposing the dismantling of all starbases in and around the Neutral Zone. The Military aide asked Bill that are they talking mothballing the Starfleet, but Bill said that their "exploration and scientific programs would be unaffected." Admiral Cartwright interrupts, vehemently objecting, saying the Klingons must not be offered safe haven in Federation space, suggesting Starfleet use military force in order to dictate terms from a superior position. Captain Kirk agrees that giving the Klingons free reign in Federation space is a "terrifying idea." However, Spock counters, arguing that they must act now to support the Gorkon initiative before conservative elements in the Klingon Empire can seize control and try to fight to the death.

Spock has volunteered the Enterprise and its crew to welcome Gorkon and his aides aboard and escort their ship to a peace meeting on Earth. Kirk protests that he is hardly the man for the job but is overruled and commanded to extend full diplomatic courtesy. Verbally sending the Enterprise on its way, the commander in chief thanks the assembled Starfleet officers and reminds them the meeting they've just had is classified, dismissing them too.

At this point, Kirk is left alone with Spock, who reminds him of an old Vulcan proverb that " only Nixon could go to China . " Kirk is angry that Spock would volunteer the Enterprise without consulting him. Spock states that his father requested he open the negotiations with the Klingons. Though Kirk knows that Spock's father is the Vulcan ambassador, Kirk is furious at Spock for forcing him to treat the Klingon "animals" like honored guests after what they did to his son ; Spock knows how he feels about the Klingons, but reminds Kirk they are dying. Kirk snaps, " Let them die! " Upon Spock's somewhat startled reaction, Kirk asks Spock if he has realized that the Enterprise crew is due to stand down in just three months time, saying that they have all done their "bit for king and country" and Kirk says that Spock should have trusted him. They stand in the conference hall in silence, looking at each other from opposite ends of the long conference table.

Valeris

" Regulations specify thrusters only while in spacedock. "

Soon after, Captain Kirk and party are ferried to the Spacedock One aboard SD-103 and board the Enterprise . Upon arriving at the bridge, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy meet Lieutenant Valeris , a young Vulcan female and the first Vulcan to graduate at the top of her class at Starfleet Academy , who is volunteering as helmsman. " Let's get this over with. Departure stations, " Kirk announces to his crew. After an awkward moment when Kirk orders Valeris to depart Spacedock at one quarter impulse power despite regulations specifying thrusters only, the Enterprise departs Spacedock and the Sol system to rendezvous with Gorkon's battle cruiser , Kronos One .

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A photo of Kirk's son David Marcus

Valeris then interrupts Kirk in his quarters. She informs him that the Enterprise is almost upon arrival at the rendezvous point. Valeris then tells Kirk how much of an honor it is to serve with him. Kirk tells her she piloted well out of Spacedock and Valeris tells him she has always wanted to try it.

Spock and Valeris

" History is replete with turning points, lieutenant. You must have faith. "

Later, Valeris discusses logic and philosophy with Spock in his quarters in terms of their current mission. Spock says history is replete with turning points and she must have faith that the universe will ultimately unfold as it should. When Valeris begins to ask if that is logical, Spock points out a simple fact that has taken him a lifetime to learn; logic is only the beginning of wisdom and not the end. Spock is soon to retire, with this being his last voyage on the Enterprise as a member of the crew and he intends for Valeris to replace him. Valeris states that she could only succeed Spock. Upon this, an announcement is made through the ship's intercom that all hands are to report to duty stations as a Klingon battlecruiser has arrived off the Enterprise 's port bow.

Upon rendezvous with Gorkon, Captain Kirk reluctantly, but formally, invites the Chancellor and his staff to have dinner aboard the Enterprise at 1930 hours as guests of the Federation. Valeris then suggests opening up the supply of Romulan ale that is aboard, thinking it may help the evening progress more smoothly. Kirk compliments her thinking and leaves the bridge. " Guess who's coming to dinner? ", Commander Chekov quietly says.

Later, in the transporter room , Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scott are on hand to greet Gorkon and his party. All behave cordially on the surface. Gorkon introduces his daughter, Azetbur , his military adviser, Brigadier General Kerla , and General Chang , his chief of staff . While Gorkon is dignified and gracious, offering Spock his sincere gratitude for his actions towards peace, Chang, who has an especially smug, obnoxious demeanor, tells Kirk that he has so wanted to meet the great Captain Kirk, " warrior to warrior " out of admiration. " Right, " Kirk coldly replies. He leads the Klingon delegation out of the room, thinking they might enjoy a brief tour of the vessel.

Gorkon

" I offer a toast – the undiscovered country – the future. "

Shortly afterward, both Kirk and Gorkon's staff dine together. Gorkon gives a toast to "the undiscovered country – the future". Spock recognizes the line from Hamlet , specifically from act III, scene I, and Gorkon tells Spock that one has never read Shakespeare properly until reading the text in "the original Klingon." McCoy diplomatically offers a toast to Gorkon, calling him " one of the architects of our future. " The dinner proceeds with surface pleasantries gradually melting to reveal angry hostility. In particular, Chekov says the Federation believes all worlds have the sovereign claim to inalienable Human rights and Azetbur points out that this statement is racist and that the Federation is little better than a homo sapiens only club, " present company excepted, of course, " Chang adds. Chang tells Kirk that they all need breathing room, which Kirk points out is the same thing Hitler said in 1938 , which offends Chang. Thinly masking his disappointment, Gorkon simply quips that they have a long way to go.

As the Klingons prepare to leave, Kirk sarcastically jokes that they must do this again sometime. Gorkon says he knows Kirk doesn't trust him, and offers that " if there is to be a brave, new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it. " Chang walks up to Kirk before leaving, telling him " parting is such sweet sorrow, " and steps onto the transporter platform while Kirk shakes his head. Once the Klingons are safely beamed off the ship, the entire senior staff relaxes, observing that the Klingons exhibited poor manners; Spock notes that they were little better. " I'm going to sleep this off. Please let me know if there's some other way we can screw up tonight, " Kirk says before leaving. McCoy announces he is going to find a pot of black coffee . Spock raises his eyebrow.

Kronos one stateroom

" We're hit…! "

Lying down to sleep, and nursing a terrible hangover, Kirk is summoned to the bridge by Spock. Sensors are picking up an enormous amount of neutron radiation which appears to be emanating from Enterprise (which an equally hungover Chekov painfully jokes that it is only the size of his head). A photon torpedo shoots out and strikes Kronos One . The entire bridge crew immediately jumps into action, as a second photon torpedo knocks out the gravity. Kirk asks Scotty if Enterprise actually fired and Scotty denies it as according to the inventory the ship still has her entire complement of torpedoes.

As the Klingons begin floating helplessly about, a transporter beam engages and two men in Starfleet uniforms with closed helmets and gravity boots begin walking through the corridors, shooting every Klingon they come in contact with, including Gorkon.

Why that cunning little Vulcan

" Why that cunning little Vulcan. "

When auxiliary gravity is restored on Kronos One , Gorkon is discovered, mortally wounded. A furious Chang accuses Kirk of defiling the peace they're striving to work for, and saying that he'll blow them out of the stars. Kirk denies that they fired, although the ship's data banks say they did according to Spock. Kirk orders that the Enterprise surrender, much to the surprise of the bridge crew. He prepares to board Kronos One leaving Spock in command – where he'll be able to get Kirk out of trouble. Spock subtly slaps a small black patch on Kirk's back. McCoy decides to go too in case they need a doctor. " Uhura, tell them we're coming and tell them we're unarmed! ", Kirk says.

When they materialize on Kronos One , Kerla asks if Kirk has "lost his mind." Kirk swears they genuinely do not know what has happened and that they only want to help. Kerla reluctantly allows them to follow him to Gorkon, who is badly wounded. Chang tells him about the torpedoes, the gravity, and the assassins. McCoy tries to save Gorkon but fails due to his lack of knowledge of Klingon anatomy. Before dying, Gorkon reaches up to Kirk, grasping the back of his head, and begs him not to let it end this way. General Chang has Kirk and McCoy arrested for murder under article 184 of Interstellar Law .

Act II – The Trial and Spock's Investigation [ ]

On the Enterprise Uhura relays the news of their arrest. Spock then formally assumes command of the ship and begins a full-scale investigation. When Chekov asks what will happen if they cannot piece together what transpired, Spock says then " in that case, Mr. Chekov, it resides in the purview of the diplomats. "

Efrosian Federation President

" This President is not above the law! "

On Earth, the Klingon Ambassador is speaking with the Federation President in his office in Paris , defending his government's decision to arrest Kirk and McCoy for the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon. The president has ordered a full-scale investigation too, but the Klingon ambassador says that by the articles of interstellar law Kirk and McCoy must stand trial in a Klingon court. Sarek and Romulan ambassador Nanclus concur. As the Klingon Ambassador leaves, the commander-in-chief, Admiral Cartwright, and Colonel West enter. They propose a plan they call Operation Retrieve , to rescue Kirk and McCoy, West states that they could go in and get Kirk and McCoy in less than 24 hours with acceptable losses in manpower and equipment. The president asks what would happen then if they precipitate a full scale war and West frankly states " Then Mr. President, we can clean their chronometers. " Nanclus tells the president that the Klingons are vulnerable and there would never be a better time to strike them. Cartwright says that the longer they wait, the less accessible the hostages become. The president then dismisses everyone saying he'll keep all this in mind. Everyone except for Sarek leaves the president alone. At the door, the C in C stops and reminds the president that Kirk and McCoy have literally saved the planet . The president knows this and tells the C in C that they are now going to save it again… by standing trial.

Uhura receives a message from Starfleet Command ordering them to return to Earth immediately. Both she and Chekov agree they cannot abandon the captain and Dr. McCoy. Valeris tells the both of them how 400 years ago on the planet Earth, when workers felt threatened by automation, they flung their wooden shoes called sabots into the machines to stop them, thus coining the word " sabotage ." Uhura comes up with a response that Enterprise 's backup systems are all inoperative. " Excellent. I-I-I mean, too bad, " Chekov says.

Azetbur, now Klingon Chancellor, communicates with the President. She says in one week she will attend a peace conference at a neutral, secret site on the condition that they will not extradite Kirk and McCoy and that the Federation will make no attempts at a military extraction. If they do so, the Klingons will consider it an act of war.

Azetbur

" War is… obsolete. As we are in danger of becoming. "

After ending the transmission to the Federation President, Azetbur's advisors (including Kerla) suggest attacking the Federation now while they still can, or else the Federation will take advantage of Praxis' destruction and enslave them. Azetbur stands up to them, saying that war is obsolete, as they are in danger of becoming. One of her advisors sneers, "better to die on our feet than live on our knees!" Azetbur firmly says that her father wanted peace, and Chang, standing aside in the corner, speaks for the first time, reminding her gently that her father's wishes got him killed. Azetbur stands her ground, saying the peace process will go forward, but adds, with resolve, that Kirk will pay for her father's death.

Spock's investigation is proceeding. The computer says that Enterprise fired and the torpedo inventory says they didn't, so they'll have to inspect each torpedo visually.

Worf (Colonel)

" If the gravitational field was not functioning, how could these men be walking? "

The trial begins, with Chang as prosecutor and Colonel Worf as Kirk and McCoy's defense attorney. In a Klingon trial on Qo'noS, the prosecution and defense question witnesses at the same time. The first witness says the murderers were wearing magnetic boots, a fact which, while viewing the trial back on the bridge of the Enterprise gets Spock to thinking. Chang then begins questioning McCoy, starting with McCoy's current medical status, to which McCoy jokes " other than a touch of arthritis, I'd say, pretty good! " Chang tries to impugn McCoy's medical competence and questions whether he really tried his best to save Gorkon. McCoy says he desperately tried to save Gorkon as he was the last best hope for peace. The judge then excuses him.

Chang then turns to Kirk and calls him "the architect of this tragic affair." Chang accuses Kirk of plotting to kill Gorkon as revenge for the death of his son, a charge Kirk denies. Worf objects, stating Kirk has not been identified as the assassin. Chang enters into the record an excerpt from Kirk's personal log:

Kirk admits that he did indeed say this. Chang uses a number of examples from Kirk's record to show that it's possible he arranged for Gorkon's murder, such as his demotion from admiral to captain for insubordination. Kirk is maneuvered into stating that of course he is responsible for the actions of every member of his crew. The judge finds both guilty as charged, which carries a death penalty. Worf argues that the bulk of the evidence against his clients is circumstantial and begs the court to consider this upon sentencing. The judge agrees then commutes their death sentences to life without parole on the penal asteroid of Rura Penthe , known throughout the galaxy as the aliens' graveyard .

On Excelsior , where Sulu and his crew have also been watching the trial, the captain directs that a message be sent to Enterprise , telling them that Sulu and the crew of Excelsior stand ready to assist them.

With the trial concluded, Spock asks Valeris to replay the footage of the torpedo launch. Scott insists that all the Enterprise torpedoes have been visually accounted for, and there is no way the ship could have fired. Spock repeats a maxim of one of his ancestors: " once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. " If Enterprise could not have fired, it must have come from a cloaked ship, probably a Bird-of-Prey , hiding underneath Enterprise . Scotty objects that a Bird-of-Prey cannot fire its weapons while cloaked, but Spock rejoins that apparently this one can. Unfortunately, they have no evidence, only a theory which happens to fit the facts available. Chekov argues that if there was a cloaked ship, the assassins must have beamed onto Gorkon's ship from there, not Enterprise , but Spock reminds him that someone was responsible for firing the torpedoes or making the false entry in the ship's data banks; either way, the person or persons responsible are aboard Enterprise . Spock puts Valeris in charge of a search for two pairs of gravity boots.

Klingon commandant

" … only a magnetic shield prevents beaming. "

Kirk and McCoy are taken from Qo'noS, along with a group of other prisoners, to the frozen wasteland of Rura Penthe, an appropriately harsh place protected only by a magnetic shield. On arrival at the prison, they are greeted by the warden, who warns them that escape is quite impossible, and that anyone who is disobedient or fails to work hard enough will be punished via exile from prison to the surface where nothing can survive; a fact which is graphically demonstrated when a naked prisoner is dragged out and thrown into the snowy wastes to rapidly freeze to death. Inside the prison, Kirk almost immediately has an altercation with a large alien, but is rescued by an exotic looking woman, Martia .

In the galley, Spock and Valeris observe the search going on. When Chekov asks Valeris why the assassins didn't simply vaporize the boots, she pulls a phaser out from a weapons locker and vaporizes a nearby pot. An alarm goes off and she deactivates it, explaining to Chekov that you cannot fire an unauthorized phaser set to vaporize aboard a starship. Scotty and Uhura come in wanting to know who triggered the alarm by firing the phaser. They continue to stall for time by claiming malfunctioning equipment. Uhura reminds Spock that they have lost all contact with Kirk and McCoy. Spock notes this but says that if he knows Kirk well, by this time he is deep into planning his escape.

Horned alien, Dennis Ott

" Not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place. "

Meanwhile, Kirk is engaged in hand-to-hand combat with another alien, and is surprised when he wins. Kirk informs McCoy and Martia that he was lucky the brute had knees. Martia tells Kirk that that was not his knee, noting that not all species have their genitals in the same place. Martia offers to help Kirk and McCoy escape. That night in their bunks, Kirk admits he'd gotten so used to hating Klingons and that it never even occurred to him to take Gorkon at his word. Martia comes in, gives Kirk a big kiss and tells him where to meet her to plan an escape.

Act III – The Rescue and Revelation [ ]

Aboard Excelsior , Sulu's officer tells him that Starfleet wants to know what has happened to the Enterprise . Sulu states that he nor the Excelsior personnel know anything about the Enterprise and dismisses the officer. Now Sulu is getting really worried.

Dax's feet

" If the shoe fits, wear it! "

In the transporter room, Chekov finds some small dried remains on the transporter platform and takes a sample of it to Spock, who discovers that it is Klingon blood, which must have been floating through the Klingon ship and got tracked back to Enterprise by the assassins walking through it. Spock notes this as the first piece of evidence to corroborate their theory and therefore expands the search to include all uniforms aboard ship. Valeris eventually finds the magnetic boots; however, they are in the locker of a crewman whose feet are shaped differently from Humans'; the boots couldn't possibly be his much to Chekov's surprise.

Martia as the Brute

Martia as the Brute: " They don't take girls. "

Martia as child

Martia, appearing as a small Human girl

Kirk and McCoy get into a lift for mining duty and discover that Martia is a shapeshifter. She changes bodies several times in the course of leading them out of the range of the magnetic shield. Uhura and Spock have noted Kirk's exit from the beaming shield as well. Spock orders the ship to Rura Penthe. It seems that what he put on Kirk's back was a viridium patch which enabled him to track the captain.

Klingon translation books

" We is condemning food… things and… supplies to Rura Penthe… over… "

The Enterprise passes into Klingon space and gets the attention of a Klingon listening post. If they respond while using the universal translator , the sentries would pick it up. In badly broken Klingon , Uhura identifies her ship as a freighter, IKS Ursva , headed to Rura Penthe to "condemn" food, supplies and "things." The Klingons at the listening post are fooled and end up making a Klingon joke, in which the Klingons and the Enterprise crew forcibly laugh at.

Martia's death

" Not me, you idiot, him!"

As Martia produces warm clothes and other supplies and lights a flare for heat, Kirk realizes that Martia is setting him and McCoy up to be killed. She's spoken previously of a huge reward to the person who gets them, and the flare is a dead giveaway. Martia changes into a duplicate Kirk and they fight, rolling all over the snow before being stopped by a jackal mastiff , Klingon guards, and the warden. Kirk and Martia (still appearing as Kirk) stand next to each other. Kirk convinces the warden to shoot Martia, since they don't want any witnesses. Kirk then asks who wanted them killed. Just before the warden can identify the culprit, Kirk and McCoy are beamed out of the cave – with Kirk swearing the whole way up.

Materializing on the transporter pad, Kirk asks Spock if he couldn't have waited just two more seconds, as the warden was about to explain the whole thing. When Chekov sheepishly asks if they want to go back, McCoy answers " Absolutely not! " Kirk adds, " It's cold. " Chang finds out about this from the commandant and prepares to intercept the Enterprise .

Sitting in the Enterprise 's officers' mess , Scott discovers two sets of uniforms with Klingon blood on them. Scott runs up to Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Chekov in a corridor and they subsequently find Yeomen Burke and Samno , both dead, killed by a phaser stun at close range. They were the ones on guard in the transporter room when Gorkon and party first beamed aboard the Enterprise . To lure out the assassin, an announcement is made over the ship's intercom ordering the court reporter to sickbay and that statements will be taken from Burke and Samno, as if they are merely injured. Someone walks into the darkened sickbay with phaser in hand – it is revealed to be Valeris. Valeris is stunned to see Kirk and her mentor Spock in the bio-beds instead of the dead crewmen. Hurt and angry over her betrayal, Spock challenges Valeris to shoot him (while Kirk prefers she doesn't), and violently slaps the phaser out of her hand. McCoy emerges from the shadows and informs her that the operation is over.

On the bridge, Valeris claims that as she did not fire the crew has no proof against her, but Kirk does. He reminds her that his personal log was used as evidence against him at the trial; she must have recorded him talking on his personal log that night when Valeris was standing outside his doorway. Valeris dodges the accusation by accusing Kirk and the entire ship of betraying Starfleet. When McCoy calls her on it and asks her what she thinks she's been doing, she says she's been working to save Starfleet. She doesn't believe Klingons can ever be trusted, and reminds Kirk that they killed his son and how he said to " let them die " rather than help, and Kirk can't help but feel ashamed that he made such a statement. She reveals that some Klingons conspired with Starfleet officers to kill their own Chancellor – how trustworthy can they be? McCoy ponders the concept of peace between the Klingons and Federation being so unacceptable to members of both sides that they worked together to prevent it (while implying the irony that the conspiracy actually proves that Humans and Klingons actually can coexist and work together). Kirk demands the names of her co-conspirators, and Valeris claims she does not remember. " A lie? ", Spock asks. " A choice, " she replies.

Mind Meld Spock Valeris

"Names , lieutenant! "

Spock slowly walks up to Valeris near the viewscreen and forces her into a mind meld , discovering that the conspirators include Admiral Cartwright, General Chang, and the Romulan Ambassador, Nanclus. Kirk asks where the peace conference will be held, so Spock looks further into her mind to the point it causes her physical pain, but Valeris ultimately does not know where the peace conference is. The Enterprise contacts the Excelsior and Sulu tells Kirk that the conference will be held at Camp Khitomer , beginning later that day.

Act IV – Realizations and Confrontations [ ]

Later, in Spock's quarters, Kirk admits that he couldn't get past the death of his son and that it took Gorkon's death to get him to realize how prejudiced he was. Spock admits he was prejudiced by Valeris's accomplishments as a Vulcan and speculates that he and Kirk – with their inflexible thinking – are obsolete.

The Khitomer conference begins, as Enterprise drops out of warp and races towards the planet at impulse. If Chang's ship is there, it's cloaked, and the only means of detecting it would be the same surge of neutron radiation that occurred when Gorkon's ship was fired upon. Tension mounts on board the ship as they get ever closer to transporter range. With just over 40 seconds to go, Chang contacts Kirk over subspace and asks him, " warrior to warrior ," to admit that Kirk prefers for the Federation and Klingons to remain enemies, and continue slaughtering each other in glorious combat: " Once more unto the breach, dear friends… "

Then, with another quote of "to be or not to be…" in Klingon, Chang signals his gunner, and the Bird-of-Prey opens fire with photon torpedoes . With the cloak in place, Enterprise's shields take a pounding, but they cannot return fire. Although Chang continues to taunt Kirk, Uhura tries but fails to locate the source of his transmissions.

Excelsior is hurtling to Khitomer at maximum warp. Aboard the bridge, which is trembling with the force of acceleration, helmsman Lojur warns, " She'll fly apart! " Sulu retorts, " Fly her apart then! "

On Khitomer, Azetbur's speech has begun and a Klingon stands up and walks out carrying a briefcase. Admiral Cartwright nervously watches, sweat dripping down his face.

Chang's Bird-of-Prey

" Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war! "

In space, Enterprise continues to take heavy damage, and Scott warns their shields are collapsing. A minor explosion on the bridge prompts Kirk to order auxiliary power, but Spock reports that the auxiliary circuits have been destroyed. Watching Enterprise attempting to evade, Chang quotes The Merchant of Venice :

Spock realizes that even with her cloak in place, the Bird-of-Prey's impulse engines will still vent plasma exhaust ; Uhura suggests using the equipment they have on-board to catalog gaseous anomalies as a guidance system. Spock asks McCoy to help him "perform surgery" on a photon torpedo to enable it to do so. " Fascinating! ", the physician says. Kirk continues to order evasive maneuvers in an attempt to mitigate the torpedo impacts across the hull.

Enterprise continues to suffer heavy damage, but before she can be crippled, Sulu arrives with Excelsior , taking some of the pressure off Enterprise as Chang chooses to divide his attacks between opponents. However, Chang has merely been slowed down: with his ability to fire while cloaked, Chang is still running circles around both ships.

At Khitomer, the Klingon who left has found a vantage point on an upper level and is cutting a small hole in one of the glass panes to aim a weapon at the President.

Chang relentlessly fires Shakespeare quotations such as:

and continues firing torpedoes, weakening Enterprise 's shields to the point that it takes a direct hit on the ventral-port side of the saucer section that ruptures the hull. Spock and McCoy complete their modifications to the photon torpedo, and with a great deal of satisfaction, Kirk gives the order to fire. It homes in on the cloaked Bird-of-Prey and lands a direct hit, but not before Chang gives his last Shakespeare quote from Hamlet :

Enterprise and Excelsior then target the location of the explosion, unleashing a barrage of torpedoes that destroy Chang's now decloaked (and shield-less) ship.

West as klingon assassin

" It's Colonel West! "

The Enterprise crew beams down just in time for Kirk to knock the president out of the way of the would-be assassin's phaser rifle blast. He identifies himself to the dazed president. Cartwright orders them arrested and Spock retorts "Arrest yourself!" displaying a handcuffed Valeris. McCoy says that they have a full confession just as the Klingon assassin is about to shoot Valeris. At that moment, Scott kicks in the door to the assassin's hiding place, and shoots him just before he can kill Valeris. He falls through the glass pane to the floor. The Commander In Chief and Colonel Worf rush to the body and find out that it's not a Klingon; it's Colonel West. Cartwright takes advantage of the ruckus and tries to flee but is thwarted when Sulu, armed and accompanied by two security guards, transports from Excelsior and holds him there.

Khitomer Conference, 2293

The Khitomer Conference saved

A confused and angry Azetbur demands to know what is going on. Kirk tells her this is all about the future and that history has not ended quite yet. Thinking of Gorkon's reference to the future as "the undiscovered country," Kirk notes that people can be very frightened of change. Azetbur tells Kirk he's restored her father's faith and Kirk tells her she's restored his son's. At that moment, the room breaks out into applause as the remaining Enterprise officers (including Sulu) walk up and join Kirk on the platform.

Epilogue [ ]

As Enterprise and Excelsior rendezvous above Khitomer , Kirk and crew reenter the bridge and exchange pleasantries with Captain Sulu. " Nice to see you in action one more time, Captain Kirk. Take care, " Sulu says as Excelsior moves away from the Enterprise , departing Khitomer. " By God, that's a big ship, " McCoy says. " Not so big as her captain, I think, " Scott adds. Chekov muses, " So… this is good-bye. "

Constitution II class bridge, 2293

The last flight of the Enterprise

" I think it's about time we got underway ourselves, " Kirk mentions. Uhura then tells Kirk that they've received direct orders from Starfleet Command to return Enterprise to Spacedock for decommissioning. The crew looks around at each other, emotional that their time together as a crew is now coming to an end.

Spock contemplates that for a moment and then remarks, " If I were Human, I believe my response would be 'Go to Hell .' If I were Human. " When Chekov asks for a course heading, Kirk tells him " Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning. "

Uhura steps over near Scott and everyone watches as Enterprise heads off toward the stars on one final voyage.

USS Enterprise-A leaves Khitomer

Log entries [ ]

  • Sulu: " Stardate 9521.6, Captain's log, USS Excelsior , Hikaru Sulu commanding. After three years , I have concluded my first assignment as master of this vessel, cataloging gaseous planetary anomalies in Beta Quadrant . We're heading home under full impulse power. I'm pleased to report that ship and crew have functioned well. "
  • Kirk: " Captain's log , stardate 9522.6. I've never trusted Klingons, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy. It seems to me our mission to escort the Chancellor of the Klingon High Council to a peace summit is problematic at best. Spock says this could be an historic occasion, and I'd like to believe him, but how on Earth can history get past people like me? "
  • Kirk: " The Enterprise hosted Chancellor Gorkon and party to dinner last night; our manners weren't exactly Emily Post. Oh, note to the galley: Romulan ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions. "
  • Kirk:" Captain's log, stardate 9529.1. This is the final cruise of the starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of another crew ; to them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun and journey to all the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man – where no one – has gone before. "

Memorable quotes [ ]

Shakespeare [ ].

" I thought I would assume a pleasing shape. " (Act II, Scene II)

" The undiscovered country. " (Act III, Scene I)

" To be, or not to be. " (Act III, Scene I)

Julius Caesar [ ]

" Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war! " (Act III, Scene I)

" I am constant as the northern star. " (Act III, Scene I)

King Henry IV, Part II [ ]

" Have we not heard the chimes at midnight? " (Act III, Scene II)

King Henry V [ ]

" Once more unto the breach, dear friends. " (Act III, Scene I)

" The game's afoot. " (Act III, Scene I)

The Merchant of Venice [ ]

" Tickle us, do we not laugh? Prick us, do we not bleed? Wrong us, shall we not revenge? " (Act III, Scene I)

Richard II [ ]

" Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings. " (Act III, Scene II)

Romeo and Juliet [ ]

" Parting is such sweet sorrow. " (Act II, Scene II)

The Tempest [ ]

" Our revels now are ended. " (Act IV, Scene I)

General quotes [ ]

" Do we report this, sir? " " Are you kidding? "

" I must protest. To offer Klingons safe haven within Federation space is suicide. Klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy. "

" I don't know whether to congratulate you or not, Jim. " " I wouldn't. "

" There is an old Vulcan proverb. Only Nixon could go to China. "

" Don't believe them! Don't trust them! " " They're dying. " " Let them die! "

" You must be very proud. " " I don't believe so, sir. " " She's a Vulcan all right. "

" I've never trusted Klingons and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy . "

" History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. "

" Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. "

" Guess who's coming to dinner? "

" I offer a toast. The undiscovered country … The future. "

" In space, all warriors are cold warriors. "

" Human rights. Why the very name is racist. The Federation is no more than a homo sapiens only club. "

" We need breathing room. " " Earth, Hitler, 1938. " " I beg your pardon. "

" If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it. "

" Did you see the way they ate?! " " Terrible table manners! " " I doubt that our own behavior will distinguish us in the annals of diplomacy."

" Valeris, do you know anything about a radiation surge? " " Sir? " " Chekov? " " Only the size of my head. " " I know what you mean. "

" We come in peace and you BLATANTLY defile that peace! And for that, I shall blow you out of the stars! " " We haven't fired! " " Captain, according to our databanks we have. Twice. "

" Don't let it end this way, Captain. "

" This president is not above the law. "

" Then, quite frankly, Mister President, we can clean their chronometers. "

" Sir… Those men have literally saved this planet. " " Yes, Bill, I know that. And now they're going to save it again. By standing trial. "

" I'll bet that Klingon bitch killed her father! "

" Doctor McCoy, would you be so good as to tell me your current medical status? " " Aside from a touch of arthritis, I'd say pretty good! "

" James Tiberius Kirk… What would your favorite author say, Captain? Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings. Tell us your sad story Kirk, Tell us how you planned to take revenge for the death of your son. " " That's not true. " " Objection! Captain Kirk has not been identified as the assassin! " " Sustained. "

" Do you deny being demoted by these charges?! Don't wait for the translation!! Answer me now!! " " I cannot deny it. " " You were demoted? " " Yes. " " For insubordination? " " On occasion, I have disobeyed orders. "

" An ancestor of mine maintained that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. "

" This is the gulag Rura Penthe. There is no stockade. No guard tower. No electronic frontier. Only a magnetic shield prevents beaming. Punishment means exile from prison to the surface. On the surface, nothing can survive. Work well, and you will be treated well. Work badly, and you will die. "

" If my surmise is correct, those boots will cling to the killers' necks like a pair of Tiberian bats. "

" I'm Martia. You're Kirk and McCoy, I presume. " " How did you know that? " " We don't get many presidential assassins. "

" I was lucky that thing had knees. " " That was not his knee. Not everybody keeps their genitals in the same place, Captain. "

" What is it with you, anyway? " " Still think we're finished? " " More than ever. "

" Perhaps you know Russian epic of Cinderella? If the shoe fits, wear it! "

" Mr. Scott, start your engines. " " Aye, aye sir. "

" Leave me. I'm finished. " " No! Bones, I'm wearing a viridium patch on my back. Spock slapped it there just before we went on Gorkon's ship. " " Why, that cunning little Vulcan. "

" An accident wasn't good enough. " " Good enough for one. Two would've looked suspicious. Killed while attempting escape … now that's convincing for both. "

" I can't believe I kissed you. " " Must have been your lifelong ambition. "

" Isn't it about time you became something else? " " I like it here. "

" Kill him! He's the one! " " Not me, you idiot! HIM! "

" Who? Who wanted us killed? " " Since you're all going to die, anyway, why not tell you? His name is…! "

" Couldn't you have waited just two more seconds!? " " Captain? " " He was just about to explain the whole thing! " " You want to go back!? " " Absolutely not!! " " It's cold! "

" First rule of assassination. Kill the assassins. "

" You have betrayed the Federation. All of you. " " And what have you been doing? " " Saving Starfleet! "

" Then we're dead. " " I've been dead before . "

" Thank you, Captain Sulu. " " Don't mention it, Captain Kirk. "

" You were right. It was arrogant presumption on my part that got us into this… situation. You and the Doctor might have been killed. " " The night is young. "

" You're a great one for logic. I'm a great one for rushing in where angels fear to tread. "

" Is it possible that we two, you and I, have grown so old and so inflexible that we have outlived our usefulness? "

" Do you want to know something? Everybody's Human. " " I find that remark… insulting. "

" Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing it does not necessarily follow that we must do that thing. "

" I can see you, Kirk. " " Chang. " " Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, Captain, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends. "

" Come on. Come on! " " She'll fly apart. " " Fly her apart, then! "

" Doctor, would you care to assist me in performing surgery on a torpedo? " " Fascinating! "

" I'd give real money if he'd shut up. "

" We've got a heartbeat! "

" Where's that damn torpedo? " " It's ready, Jim. Lock and load! "

" Some people think the future means the end of history. Well, we haven't run out of history quite yet. "

" You've restored my father's faith. " " And you've restored my son's. "

" Once again we've saved civilization as we know it. " " And the good news is, they're not going to prosecute. "

" Nice to see you in action one more time, Captain Kirk. Take care. "

" So… this is goodbye. "

" Captain, I have orders from Starfleet Command. We're to be put back into Spacedock immediately. To be decommissioned. " " If I were Human , I believe my response would be: Go to hell! If I were Human. "

" Course heading, Captain? " " Second star to the right. And straight on 'til morning. "

Background information [ ]

Landmarks [ ].

  • This is the second of two Star Trek productions (the other being Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ) between 1986 and 2005 to be produced without any involvement from Rick Berman .
  • Although this is the final Star Trek film to feature the entire Star Trek: The Original Series cast together, only Nichelle Nichols ( Uhura ) and DeForest Kelley ( McCoy ) make their final official Star Trek appearances in this film (Kelley's appearance as an admiral in TNG: "Encounter At Farpoint" the pilot episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation had occurred four years previously). James Doohan ( Scotty ) would appear in TNG : " Relics ", and then with William Shatner ( James T. Kirk ), and Walter Koenig ( Pavel Chekov ) in Star Trek Generations . George Takei ( Hikaru Sulu ) appeared in VOY : " Flashback " and Leonard Nimoy ( Spock ) appeared in TNG : " Unification I " , " Unification II ", Star Trek , and Star Trek Into Darkness .
  • Chronologically, McCoy, Spock and Scotty appeared in Star Trek: The Next Generation long after the events of this film.
  • This movie is the first canon instance of Sulu's first name, Hikaru (Japanese for "shining"), being stated. Prior to the film, it was commonly used in the novels (and reportedly approved by Gene Roddenberry and George Takei ( citation needed • edit ) ), but had never been made official.
  • This is currently the only Star Trek movie shot in Super 35 format instead of anamorphic . ( citation needed • edit )
  • The film was nominated for two Academy Awards . It was nominated for "Makeup" and "Sound Effects Editing." It was also nominated for the Hugo Award for "Best Dramatic Presentation" and five Saturn Awards , winning for "Best Science Fiction Film."
  • Leonard Nimoy co-wrote the story for this final outing of the TOS cast. Likewise, the final outing of the TNG cast ( Star Trek Nemesis ) was co-written by one of its cast members, Brent Spiner .
  • The film confirms Kirk's middle name, which had previously been established in the animated series episode " Bem " as "Tiberius," for the first time in live action production.
  • Finally, just before the closing titles roll, the signatures of the seven main cast members from The Original Series are displayed one by one, writing themselves on the starfield.

George Takei

Members of the film's cast with Nick Meyer

  • Rene Auberjonois ' role as Colonel West was cut from the theatrical release, as Gene Roddenberry was uncomfortable with ideas that were presented in his scenes. ( citation needed • edit ) The scenes were later restored for the VHS, LaserDisc, and DVD release, but the BluRay release contains the theatrical cut. Auberjonois later played Constable Odo on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine .
  • Michael Dorn only found out he had a role in this film as Worf's grandfather when Nicholas Meyer and Herman Zimmerman were walking past the soundstages for Star Trek: The Next Generation and informed him about it. [1]
  • The only actors, aside from the original cast, to appear in both this film and in Star Trek: The Motion Picture are Grace Lee Whitney ( Janice Rand ) and Mark Lenard . In both films, Whitney appeared as Janice Rand, whereas Lenard appeared as Sarek in The Undiscovered Country and a Klingon captain in The Motion Picture . This was the penultimate appearance of Rand, who went on to appear in the Star Trek: Voyager episode " Flashback ". She is a lieutenant jg in this film, although "Flashback" incorrectly depicts her as a lieutenant commander at the time of the film's setting. Some of the comics set around the time of Sulu taking command of Excelsior not only support her lieutenant commander rank, but imply that she was also the Excelsior 's first officer.
  • Rand was supposed to be the character that wakes up Sulu to inform him that Starfleet was looking for the Enterprise instead of Christian Slater 's character. Slater was a huge fan of the show and his mother – Mary Jo Slater , the movie's casting director – petitioned heavily to get him a part. ( citation needed • edit )
  • Rene Auberjonois, Michael Dorn and Kurtwood Smith would later star together in the Deep Space Nine fifth season episode " Things Past ", where Auberjonois plays Odo, Dorn plays Worf and Smith plays Thrax .
  • This is Rene Auberjonois and John Schuck 's fourth film together. The first was MASH , followed by Brewster McCloud , and McCabe & Mrs. Miller .
  • Merritt Butrick appears posthumously as David Marcus , via a photo in Kirk's quarters.

Story and production [ ]

  • The Undiscovered Country was almost never made as a Star Trek film, not only due to the dismal box office receipts of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier , but also for an unbroken string of, for Paramount Pictures , disappointing yet very expensive film releases as well, leaving the studio deeply in the red, only aggravated by a worldwide recession . However as seen on the Star Trek VI DVD set and also according to William Shatner 's Star Trek Movie Memories , Paramount, specifically its president Frank Mancuso, Sr. – who had been intimately involved with Star Trek ever since Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan – , did not really want to end the Original Crew run on The Final Frontier low note, especially with the 25th anniversary of the Star Trek franchise coming up, and wanted one more film, but found himself seriously hampered by the strictest of budget limitation: under NO conceivable circumstance was a potential new film to exceed the budget of The Final Frontier , not even by one dollar. It was at this point that Harve Bennett proposed his Starfleet Academy prequel , featuring a brand new, and thus far cheaper, cast, and was green lighted by Mancuso to go into pre-production, and proceeded as such, until Gene Roddenberry vehemently objected, and with him the fanbase and the secondary cast. But it was only when the (at the time) head of Paramount Communications (formerly Gulf+Western, owner of Paramount Pictures), Martin Davis , found out about the Academy concept and furiously demanding an Original Crew film be made, that Bennett's project was scrapped on the spot. Because nobody had thought of informing the highest boss, nearly eighteen months of valuable pre-production time had been lost. Because he wanted to do the prequel, and Mancuso no longer dared to continue, Harve Bennett left Star Trek after a decade with the franchise. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 347-348; Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, pp. 24-30)
  • Earlier, a revised draft of Bennett's script featured a scene in which Kirk flashed back to his days at Starfleet Academy , allowing William Shatner and others to reprise their Original Crew roles as cameos – Bennett's effort to appease Roddenberry's ( et al. ) criticisms, before his project was scrapped altogether. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 343-345)
  • Thoroughly chastized by his boss Davis, Mancuso subsequently turned to Leonard Nimoy in May 1990 to get a completely new film, featuring the entire Original Crew , started. It was during this meeting that Nimoy suggested the contemporary real world Gorbachev / Perestroika / Glasnost events as an allegory for the Federation and the Klingon Empire as basic story line, which was enthusiastically embraced by Mancuso. Informed that Bennett had gone, Nimoy requested to return Nicholas Meyer into the fold as co-writer and director, which was also embraced by Mancuso. In the early summer Nimoy and Meyer had an extended meeting at his holiday address in Cape Cod where they essentially hammered out the details as eventually featured in the film, though they became seriously hampered by studio politics through trying to burden the pair with the woefully inadequate dilettante Konner / Rosenthal "writing" duo. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 349-363) As the upper studio echelons were at the time, for the aforementioned reasons, embroiled in a tumultuous and very messy power struggle, derisively called the "The Studio Shuffle" in the contemporary press, the executive sponsors, Sid Ganis and Teddy Zee , of the Konner/Rosenthal duo were a short time later kicked out, and so were they, without having made a single noteworthy contribution whatsoever – according to both Nimoy and Meyer, what little they did turn in, immediately and literally trashed by (other) executives upon reading, was blatant plagiarism of their own story outlines. Yet Nimoy and Meyer (their relationship having actually become strained because of executives playing the one against the other in this matter, as it only became later apparent to both men) were too premature in their relief of being rid of the interloping duo, as the latter, near the end of the production, started legal procedures against both men for writing credits, partially succeeding, and nearly stripping Nimoy of any and all creative credit. ( see below ) Incidentally, Paramount veteran of 31 years Mancuso was also gone less than a month after he had approached Nimoy, unceremoniously fired over the telephone by Davis. [2] (X)
  • When Nimoy was reaching out to Meyer, the latter was working in London, UK, working as writer/director on the MGM film Company Business (featuring Kurtwood Smith , he to subsequently play the President of the United Federation of Planets in The Undiscovered Country ), which ironically, had a similar glasnost theme. However, Meyer felt that the producers had "butchered" the film, and being vocal about it, it had at the time led in the industry grapevine to the rumor that it was this that led him to recycling the theme in The Undiscovered Country . For the remainder of the year Nimoy and Meyer, now reinforced by scriptwriter Denny Martin Flinn (he actually wanted, as it was Meyer who brought him in), communicated with each other by phone, fax and the early email, which however, made them susceptible to the studio politics as played by Ganis and Zee. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, pp. 28, 30; [3] ) Incidentally, before Nimoy even contacted Meyer at his holiday address, Meyer had already been informed by Davis and Mancuso, when the latter two were in London, that a "thirty million dollars" sixth Star Trek film was green-lighted. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 354-358, )
  • When the Klingons return to their ship after the dinner on the Enterprise , Chang speaks a Klingon phrase into his communicator (without English subtitles). Chang says "daHmacheH" which, in English, means "Ready to return now." During the dinner, Azetbur says a unsubtitled Klingon phrase that, when translated to English, means "Daddy" or "Father."
  • Originally, a prologue was planned for the film, in which it was established that, before they all got the call to reassemble: Kirk was in a revitalized relationship with Carol Marcus ; McCoy was making a nuisance of himself by showing up drunk at medical celebrity events (as he despises the hypocrisy of it all); Spock's status was "classified;" Uhura had become a radio show hostess; Scotty was working as an engineering professor; Chekov was competing as a not altogether successful chess grandmaster (losing to Betazoids – which was another attempt to tie in the Original Crew franchise with that of Star Trek: The Next Generation ); and Sulu was working as a taxi driver on some backwater alien colony . A fully worked-out prologue sequence, approved for shooting, had already been scripted by Co-Script Writer Flinn. Last-minute mandatory budget limitations, however, forced the creative production team, much against their grain, to scrap the entire prologue sequence, leaving only the introductory Original Crew scene at Starfleet Command instead. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 26; Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 376-378)

HMS Bounty, Star Trek VI

Element from a proposed scene from storyboard

  • An early storyboard draft featured HMS Bounty in spacedock being disassembled by Starfleet engineers, under the supervision of Professor of Engineering Scott, before he got the call to meet up with his fellow former crew-members. This actually was part of the above-mentioned planned prologue of the film.
  • It was originally intended for the Vulcan traitor to be Lt. Saavik , but the role was instead assigned to Lt. Valeris as a new character. According to William Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories , this change was vehemently resisted by Gene Roddenberry , who felt that Saavik was too popular a character to be handled this way. Meyer (thoroughly fed up with the disruptive and incessant interlopings of Roddenberry, ever since he came aboard Star Trek , a decade earlier), could not care less what Roddenberry's thoughts on the matter were, rightfully claiming that the character was his creation, not Roddenberry's, and proceeded as planned. Yet, Meyer wanted only Kirstie Alley to reprise the role, but as she was at the peak of her popularity with Cheers at the time and her asking price was far too high. Only when Alley turned out to be unavailable, was it then decided to change the character, instead of casting yet another actress for the same part. Kim Cattrall initially refused the role as she was under the false impression that she had to portray Saavik, but jumped at the opportunity when she learned that that was not to be the case, as she considered Saavik "just a girl", whereas Valeris was a woman. Ironically, Cattrall had auditioned for the role of Saavik for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan . To her big disappointment, Robin Curtis had never been considered to reprise the role of Saavik for this film. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 31; Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 374-375) Other stories say that Kirstie Alley refused Nicholas Meyer's requests that she reprise the role, as she was uncomfortable about her weight, and that she did not want to look overweight onscreen in the form-fitting uniforms. ( citation needed • edit )
  • Many of General Chang's quotes and the subtitle, "The Undiscovered Country," come from Hamlet's " To be or not to be " soliloquy, by William Shakespeare . Chang also quotes or paraphrases Richard II , Julius Caesar , The Merchant of Venice , Henry IV, Part II , Henry V , and The Tempest .
  • Chang's demand, " Don't wait for the translation! Answer me now! " is a reference to Adlai Stevenson 's similar demand of Soviet Union representative Valerian Zorin at the United Nations during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. ( Star Trek Encyclopedia )
  • Nichelle Nichols objected to the scene in which the crew desperately searches through old printed Klingonese translation dictionaries in order to speak the language without the standard universal translator being used. It seemed more logical to her that Uhura, being the ship's chief communications officer, would know the language of the Federation's main enemy, or at least have the appropriate information in the computer. However, director Meyer bluntly overruled her. Chekov can be heard explaining at the beginning of the scene that " a universal translator would be recognized ". ( Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Special Edition) DVD -special feature, " text commentary ") In the alternate reality of Star Trek Into Darkness, Uhura — who may have had a different education from that of the Prime Uhura — does speak Klingonese (or as she and Captain Kirk refer to it, "Klingon").
  • Uhura originally had a line " Would you let your daughter marry one? " (that is, a Klingon), but the line had to be cut because Nichols absolutely refused to say it. Chekov's line " Guess who's coming to dinner? " was also originally Uhura's, but Nichols considered it also to be racist and declined to say it. The line was moved to Chekov. It was a reference to Guess Who's Coming to Dinner , the first major film to deal with interracial marriage, in which Katherine Hepburn, Spencer Tracy, and Sidney Poitier starred. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 365-366; Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Special Edition) DVD-special feature, "text commentary")
  • On the Special Edition release of Star Trek VI , it was revealed that Brock Peters ' scene in the council chamber had to be shot in numerous takes, as he was very uncomfortable with the racial undertones in his lines that the Federation take the opportunity to "bring them to their knees", which was itself, a reference to another film in which that line was said about African Americans.
  • The perceived racism toward the Klingons was of great concern to Roddenberry as well, as he felt there was no place for it in his Star Trek universe, but his considerations were entirely ignored by both Meyer and Nimoy. Aghast, he then summoned a meeting, even though Roddenberry had no formal say in the film whatsoever. Complete with heavy legal representation, a very charged meeting followed between the two sides, which quickly turned into a shouting match as Meyer finally unleashed his years of pent up frustration with Roddenberry in full. In later years Meyer came to regret his behavior. " He was not well, and maybe there were more tactful ways of dealing with it, because at the end of the day, I was going to go out and make the movie. I didn't have to take him on. Not my finest hour. ", a rueful Meyer recounted in 2011. Roddenberry died a few months later. ( [4] (X)  ; Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 366-367) Meyer remained regretful of his behavior as he reiterated the incident as recent as 2016 when he retold the story in Roger Lay, Jr. 's 50th anniversary documentary Star Trek: The Journey to the Silver Screen (Chapter 5: "End of an Era: Charting the Undiscovered Country") .
  • In December 1990 a finalized script draft was turned in to the studio, and this version was approved to go into production. Meyer, finished in London, relocates to Los Angels later that month. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 30)
  • However, less than a month later in early January 1991, the original, immovable studio budget restriction decree reared its ugly head in full force, as David Kirkpatrick , who had replaced Teddy Zee as the Paramount Motion Picture Group President in another round of "The Studio Shuffle", demanded a detailed budget breakdown for the script as submitted. Somewhat falsely reassured by the remarks Davis and Mancuso made to him in London the previous spring, Meyer came back with a total figure of US$40 million dollar. Kirkpatrick's reply was short and to the point; It would not do. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, pp. 33-35)
  • A desperate scramble among the creative staff ensued to trim as much as possible of the budget as possible; the entire prologue was (albeit painfully) scrapped, scenes were trimmed, all planned set construction for new starship interiors was abandoned (though a new Kronos One corridor set did get build ultimately), the planned live-action shoots in Alaska for the Rura Penthe scenes were scrapped as were plans for new studio models and other visual effects elements. Starship sets were to be entirely recycled from Star Trek: The Next Generation , which was concurrently in production, but was slated for its summer hiatus, when filming of The Undiscovered Country was planned to start, and only existing studio models were to be used. Major cast and crew even agreed to deferred payment of (part of) their wages. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, pp. 35-36)
  • Co-Producer Steven-Charles Jaffe , a former Trekkie , was so desperate to see the film come to fruition that he even went as far to suggest dropping Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) as the visual effects vendor for the film, instead going for a cheaper company. However the Associates & Ferren visual effects debacle for the previous film was still very much fresh on the minds of his colleagues, and no one was willing to go that far. However, the planned 110 visual effects cuts were whittled down to just 51. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 35)
  • With an absolute, rock-bottom downward revised budget of US$30 million dollar Meyer returned to Kirkpatrick & co. and vigorously and emotionally made a case for it. Kirkpatrick strictly adhered to the US$25 million dollar the previous film had originally been budgeted at, but was willing to up the budget with US$2.5 million to the total that film had actually cost, but not a penny more. Moved to tears, Meyer knew that the film could not be made for that amount and continued to make a passionate plea for it. After Kirkpatrick had deliberated with his colleagues, the verdict came back: The film was canceled. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 368-371)
  • Yet, a few weeks later, with all activity on the film halted and production crews sent home, Meyer received a call from interim Paramount Pictures President Stanley R. Jaffe (not related to producer Jaffe), standing in for the released Mancuso, who had heard that the production was in trouble. Informed by Meyer that he could not make the film as he was shy of US$2.5 million dollars, Jaffe succinctly retorted, " Okay, you've got it, " effectively canceling Kirkpatrick's cancellation decision. Instead, it became Kirkpatrick who got "canceled" in April as a result of yet another round in "The Studio Shuffle". ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 371, 393)
  • One of the major reasons Meyer could not budge from his budget was that there was one of the most expensive sets that absolutely had to be built, and that there was no way around it: the refit- Enterprise bridge set . The original set had a few months earlier been temporarily stored on the outside studio parking lot, in order to make room for other sets. A freak weather event completely wrecked the set beyond salvation, save for some parts such as the two turbolifts . ( Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Special Edition) DVD-special feature, "text commentary") However, once rebuilt, the set had to do double duty as the USS Excelsior bridge as well by means of reshuffling the variable wall panels, as the original, more cavernous Excelsior bridge set had already been struck years earlier, shortly after its use in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock . Ironically, the Excelsior bridge scenes were shot first, before it became the Enterprise bridge. ( Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Special Edition) DVD-special feature, "text commentary") Aside from his intimate familiarity with The Next Generation sets (which he had helped design and built), it was one of the most overriding reasons why Production Designer Herman Zimmerman was brought in, as he was the one who had been responsible for the bridge redesign as featured in The Final Frontier . In the process, it has also explained why The Next Generation 's USS Enterprise -D received a new battle bridge , as it had been the (heavily re-dressed) original refit-bridge that had stood in for it in the early seasons of the series. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 35)
  • Trimming down the visual effects cuts to 51 turned out to be too ambitious, as 30 of the originally jettisoned effects sequences had to be produced by ILM and inserted after all, in order to make the film "cut" well. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 35)
  • While the studio had no budget from new studio models, one was actually constructed as something of a labor of love by ILM staffers John Goodson and Bill George , the SD-103-type . The script had a scene featured which both men felt needed embellishment, and so, of their own volition, they constructed the model. ( Cinefex , issue 49, p. 48) The model went on to later become the Sydney -class . It has made The Undiscovered Country the feature in which the fewest new Star Trek starship designs were featured. George incidentally turned out to be a stickler for detail; As he was aware that the Excelsior now a new and smaller bridge, he made the effort to replace the originally larger bridge module on the Excelsior -class filming model with a smaller one, in order to reflect the change. ( American Cinematographer , January 1992, pp. 58-59)
  • Reportedly, William Shatner was champing at the bit to assume the director's role for the film in order to redeem himself for The Final Frontier , but as writer Flinn had dryly noted, " It's amazing what three million dollars will accomplish. " As Shatner had, already since Star Trek: The Original Series days, entered into a mutual "favored-nation clause" covenant with Nimoy which stipulated that, simply put, what the one got so did the other, this meant that Nimoy was to receive the same remuneration for his portrayal of Spock alone – and thereby discounting his writer's fee. However, it was also the reason why Nimoy, already being two for one in director's chores, declined the original offer by Mancuso to direct the film himself, instead opting for Meyer. It is not only for Star Trek that star cast salaries had habitually inflated exponentially with each sequel, and it had been one of the overriding reasons why Bennett's "Academy"-project was green-lighted originally, but also one of the reasons why Meyer could not give in any further to the budget demands of Kirkpatrick. ( Star Trek Movie Memories , 1995, pp. 244, 350; Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 30)
  • Also on the DVD (and in his memoir Star Trek Movie Memories ), William Shatner stated that he was unhappy with the final cut of his interchange with Spock in the Council Chamber, as he felt that it made Kirk seem too cynical and bitter. He originally had done the scene in one take, adding a dismissive wave after his comment to " Let them die! " which was subsequently edited out of the final film despite Meyer promising Shatner that he wouldn't do that, according to Shatner.
  • The dinner scene in the officers' mess as scripted was originally longer, and filled with a bit more build up and escalating comments between the Federation and Klingon crews. The scene was originally to build almost to blows, when Gorkon says the line " It seems we have a long way to go. " [5] (X)
  • The first scene at Rura Penthe was heavily influenced by The Bridge On the River Kwai , where the commandant of the POW camp gives a similar speech to the new British prisoners.
  • According to Denny Martin Flinn in a 2003 audio commentary for The Undiscovered Country , Martia's alien language exclamation " Fendo pompsky " became a popular gag among the crew. Used in place of certain expletives, the line was even embroidered on the inside of the production crew jackets.
  • The romantic comedy Frankie and Johnny was filming at nearby soundstages on the Paramount Pictures lot during production. Director Garry Marshall arranged for William Shatner , Leonard Nimoy , and DeForest Kelley to appear in full Star Trek costume and makeup, out of camera shot, behind a door in one scene, to elicit genuine surprise from star Al Pacino when he opened it. [6]
  • The poster artwork for the film was designed by John Alvin , who took over from previous Trek poster artist Bob Peak . Alvin was asked to design the poster in the style of Peak's.
  • Co-producer Ralph Winter provided the film with a remarkable coda. Though understandably proud of what he and the creative team had achieved, he had second thoughts on Bennett's abandoned "Academy"-project, reasoning in hindsight that it would have instituted a long-term studio strategy for a sustainable Star Trek live-action production line, as opposed to the somewhat chaotic, spur-of-the-moment planning as hitherto employed. " With a long term plan you could milk this forever, " Winter mused. ( Cinefantastique , Vol 22 #5, p. 35) As it so happened, Winter got his wish sooner than even he could have foreseen, as David Kirkpatrick's immediate studio successor turned out to be Brandon Tartikoff . Brought in at the tail-end of the production of The Undiscovered Country , Brandikoff was yet to leave his mark on Star Trek by exactly doing that, what Winter had imagined.

Sets, props, and costumes [ ]

  • General Chang's eyepatch had the Klingon crest painted on the heads of each rivet. The makeup artist painted them on for fun and they were never intended to be seen. ( citation needed • edit )
  • Kirk and Spock 's quarters (Data's quarters, which were originally Kirk's quarters from Star Trek: The Motion Picture )
  • Transporter room ( Enterprise -D transporter room)
  • Sickbay ( Enterprise -D sickbay)
  • Laboratory ( Beverly Crusher 's office)
  • Officers' mess hall (the dining room, redress of Enterprise -D observation lounge )
  • Engineering (clear redress of the Enterprise -D engineering; they simply replaced the display graphics and repainted some surfaces)
  • Corridors (retouched with more metallic appearance)
  • Galley (redress of Counsellor Troi's Office, later the USS Sutherland bridge)
  • Captain Kirk's quarters featured two different maps of the Milky Way galaxy created for early TNG episodes ( TNG : " Conspiracy ", " The Emissary ")
  • Captain Sulu's coffee table was a bit more than a cute addition to the Excelsior bridge. Beneath it was the support for an apparatus used to shake the whole bridge set during the Praxis explosion. As a side note, you may also notice the coffee cup that broke had no markings on it like the one Sulu was drinking from moments earlier. It was such a nice cup, the prop department didn't want it damaged. A similar table, likely for the same reason, can also be seen on the Enterprise bridge as well, between the captain's chair and the helm/nav console. ( citation needed • edit )
  • Pfaltzgraff made the china used in the film, and sold 3,000 sets of reproductions. The company logo can be seen at the bottom of the aforementioned broken cup. [7]

Federation president's office

Federation President's office in Paris

  • The office of the Federation President is a redress of Ten Forward . A viewscreen is located in place of the art ornament behind the bar counter, and the walls are painted with some shade of brown. ( Star Trek Encyclopedia  (2nd ed., p. 502)) The doors for the set accidentally retained the TNG style insignia during filming, and this can clearly be seen in the film.
  • One of the models of the original USS Enterprise in Kirk's quarters was built by writer Ronald D. Moore when he was eleven.
  • The book used by Uhura while frantically searching for a linguistic reference of the Klingon language while entering Klingon territory is actually the 1951 catalog for the "Alloy Steel Products Company, Inc.". ( citation needed • edit ) Interestingly, the title of the modified book states Introduction to Klingon Grammer , in which "grammer" should be spelled as "grammar".
  • Several props and costumes from this movie were sold off on the It's A Wrap! sale and auction on eBay, including a Rura Penthe miner's mask [8] , a Vulcan Khitomer attendee's costume [9] , a Klingon court attendee lot [10] , a Klingon canteen [11] , and a Klingon uniform lot, partially worn by Scott Leva . [12] Also sold off was a desk lamp, which was featured during the Starfleet staff meeting. It was designed by F.A. Porsche and labeled as model "Jazz". [13]

Miscellaneous [ ]

  • Gene Roddenberry saw the movie two days before he died . According to William Shatner 's Star Trek Movie Memories (1995, p. 394), Roddenberry, after seeing the film, gave thumbs up all around, and then went back and phoned his lawyer, Leonard Maizlish , angrily demanding a full quarter-hour of the film's more militaristic moments be removed from the film, but Gene died before his lawyer could present his demands to the studio.
  • Originally, director Nicholas Meyer wanted to bring back composer James Horner , whom he worked with on Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan to score The Undiscovered Country . However, Horner turned the offer down, saying his "career had moved past Star Trek ." Meyer then offered the film to composer Jerry Goldsmith , but he turned it down, citing the poor results of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier , which he had also worked on. The film eventually went to composer Cliff Eidelman . According to the liner notes for the soundtrack album, Meyer's original concept for the score was to adapt Gustav Holst's The Planets , but getting the rights to the music proved too expensive. (Eidelman's score therefore pays homage to Holst, most notably in the opening credits where the score bears a close resemblance to "Mars," the first movement from The Planets .) An excerpt from The Planets was used a few years later in the trailer for Star Trek Generations . Eidelman was picked because of his extensive knowledge of Holst's "The Planets", having written his master's thesis on the complete suite.
  • This movie and Star Trek: The Motion Picture are the only Star Trek films released before the alternate reality films not to use the opening fanfare from the " Theme from Star Trek " in the main title music.
  • According to William Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories , the original story credits for the film were to be " Story by Leonard Nimoy and Nicholas Meyer, Screenplay by Denny Martin Flynn " as nothing from the original submission by Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal were used in the final film. According to Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, Konner and Rosenthal went to the Writers Guild of America for arbitration as they felt they should deserve story credit. The WGA spoke to Nimoy and he showed them his notes where he had initially come up with the story idea for the film and they initially sided with Nimoy. However Konner and Rosenthal appealed again and eventually the WGA changed the credits to " Story by Lawrence Konner & Mark Rosenthal , screenplay by Nicholas Meyer and Denny Martin Flynn, " leaving Nimoy out of the credits. An incensed Nimoy contacted his lawyer and said if this weren't resolved by the end of the upcoming weekend, he would immediately sue Paramount and the WGA over the matter. Nimoy's lawyer reportedly worked non-stop over the weekend, working with Meyer's attorney, with Konner and Rosenthal's attorney, until finally coming up with a credit which was acceptable to all: " Story by Leonard Nimoy and Lawrence Konner & Mark Rosenthal, Screenplay by Nicholas Meyer & Denny Martin Flynn. "
  • The galley scene was quickly written into the movie just to demonstrate that you can't fire a phaser (set to kill) on board the ship without triggering an alarm. (This raises the question as to why a phaser locker is in the galley. The answer could be found as early as " The Corbomite Maneuver ". While the Enterprise is being towed by Balok 's ship, Yeoman Janice Rand brings hot coffee to the bridge. Dr. McCoy asks her how she made coffee when the "power was out" in the galley. Her pragmatic answer was, " I used a hand phaser and zap – hot coffee. ")

Blue food

Is this worth $240?

  • The blue food at the dinner scene was so disgusting that actors had to be bribed to eat it. Each actor was offered twenty dollars for every bite. Shatner did it, and won $240, before throwing up. (According to Leonard Nimoy, it was chunks of squid treated with blue food coloring.) Reportedly, Shatner was the only member of the cast able to swallow any of it, and the first time Shatner ate the colored squid, he turned and looked right at Nick Meyer and said, " Where's my twenty? " Meyer called " cut! " and pulled out the twenty and gave it to Shatner. ( William Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories )
  • Spock attributes the quote " If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth " to an ancestor. This quote (and numerous variations) derives from the Sherlock Holmes novels and short stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle . Fans, noting the similarities between the characters of Spock and Holmes, have long speculated that Spock might be a descendant (on the side of his Human mother, Amanda Grayson ) either of the fictional Holmes or the historical Doyle; the first such speculation is found in a Ruth Berman article in Spockanalia in 1966. ( citation needed • edit ) Writer/director Nicholas Meyer, a Holmes fan, wrote the well-received Sherlock Holmes novel The Seven-Per-Cent Solution and adapted it into an Academy Award-nominated screenplay.
  • During the search of all uniforms on board the Enterprise , a crewman takes off the cover of a power conduit. When he moves to put the cover down, you can see production markings on the back.
  • At the dining room, you can see paintings of many dignitaries, including Surak, founder of Vulcan philosophy and American President Abraham Lincoln . The Enterprise crew met recreations of both of them in TOS : " The Savage Curtain ". Another painting is of an unnamed Andorian dignitary.
  • After the first day of shooting, someone noticed that Valeris 's jacket was trimmed in Sciences division gray, not cadet and trainee red, to match her cadet red turtleneck undergarment. Since re-filming would have been too expensive, it was quickly decided to just let it pass. ( citation needed • edit )
  • Valeris also wears the incorrect rank insignia of lieutenant commander , although exclusively being referred to in both dialogue and credits as a lieutenant .
  • During the Battle at Khitomer, Uhura mentions that the Enterprise is carrying equipment to study gaseous anomalies. In the beginning of the film, Sulu states that the Excelsior is also on a mission to study gaseous anomalies. It is not clear whether this is done intentionally, as the Enterprise 's mission is strictly escort duty for the Chancellor's ship.
  • The sets for the Excelsior and Enterprise- A bridges were redresses of the same set, which were made up of modules to be rearranged, as needed.
  • In the final shot of the Enterprise bridge crew, the helmsman's chair is left empty, symbolizing that Sulu is not present.
  • In the credits at the end of the movie, Uhura is misspelled " Uhuru ."
  • The final scene also has the characters standing in a staged lineup. The producers wanted it known that it was the last movie.
  • The final captain's log was actually shot on the bridge of the Enterprise . This, however, was the last scene shot. Instead of using a dubbed log, they recorded it live. ( citation needed • edit )
  • The Khitomer hall was represented by the Brandeis-Bardin Institute , located in southern California.
  • The footage of the Enterprise -A in spacedock is actually modified footage from Star Trek IV (budgetary constraints, as well as the disappearance of the spacedock interior miniature from ILM's archives, dictated its use). This marks the second time that footage shot for a previous film was re-used for a second time (the other being the Genesis sequence from Star Trek II , which also appeared in Star Trek III and Star Trek IV ).
  • The Bird-of-Prey explosion from this film was later used in Star Trek Generations .
  • For some unknown reason, the art on the label for the special features disc of some editions of the Special Collector's Edition features an upside-down close-up image of the Enterprise -B while still in drydock from the film Star Trek Generations ; Paramount Home Entertainment later corrected this problem by reissuing it as a silver labeled DVD. A similar error occurs on the HD and Blu-ray editions of the film, with the Enterprise -B on the back cover.
  • During the dinner scene, Kirk says that having Romulan ale is " One of the advantages of being a thousand light years from Federation Headquarters . " Given that 78 years later, a faster and more advanced USS Voyager would expect to take seventy years to travel seventy thousand light years, one may infer that it would take far longer than a year for the Enterprise to reach the rendezvous point with Kronos One . It is more likely that Kirk was speaking metaphorically and not quoting an exact figure.
  • A scene in the script and novelization took place on Excelsior just after Sulu's conversation with Kirk, where Valtane was to have told Sulu, " Do you realize you've just committed treason, sir? " Sulu was supposed to reply something along the lines of " I always hoped that if I ever had to choose between betraying my country or betraying my friend, I'd have the courage to betray my country. " This exchange remained in the novelization.
  • The events of this film were later revisited in VOY : " Flashback ", in which it is established that Tuvok served as an ensign aboard the Excelsior . External footage of the Excelsior and the Praxis explosion wave were reused directly from the film, but all other scenes were specially re-shot, partly to include Kate Mulgrew and Tim Russ, who had not appeared in the film originally, but also because the movie's actors had aged significantly since the film was shot, meaning new footage of the actors filmed for the episode would not have matched any of the reused movie footage.
  • As with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan , this film shows Spock having full command of the Enterprise . In fact, this is the only film in which Spock actually gives Kirk orders.
  • Spock references the events of this film during TNG : " Unification II ", citing his guilt over committing Kirk to be a negotiator in the Klingon peace talks and the consequences that followed.
  • After TOS : " Whom Gods Destroy " and TAS : " The Survivor ", this marks the third time that a shapeshifter has assumed the form of Captain Kirk.
  • A similarly extended, establishing prologue was later envisioned for the subsequent movie, Star Trek Generations , but it too, though partially filmed, was scrapped for budgetary reasons, as well as for running-time considerations.
  • NBC, Star Trek' s former network, fittingly premiered Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country on November 6, 1994, a good 12 days in advance of Star Trek Generations 's nationwide release. It was the first time any kind of Star Trek was seen on The Peacock Network since Star Trek: The Animated Series in 1973.

In Star Trek VI , during his trial, Bones says that he has been the ship's surgeon for 27 years. He took the post from Mark Piper at some point in 2265 , after " Where No Man Has Gone Before ", or in early 2266 , before " The Corbomite Maneuver ". This statement establishes a time frame for the film from 2292 to 2293 .

The film ends with the last voyage of the ship and crew. The prologue of Star Trek Generations is set more precisely in 2293, or 78 years before 2371 . In the prologue, a news reporter and Scotty talk with Kirk about how he has settled down into his retirement, suggesting that the retirement from the previous film is still a very recent thing for him.

StarTrek.com , Star Trek Chronology , and Star Trek Encyclopedia  (3rd ed., p. 691) use the year 2293. Memory Alpha uses this year as well.

Behind the scenes [ ]

Concept art [ ].

HMS Bounty, Star Trek VI

Production gallery [ ]

Star Trek VI Cast

Merchandise gallery [ ]

soundtrack

Production history [ ]

  • 5th draft script: 28 December 1990
  • Start of principal photography: 11 April 1991
  • End of principal photography: 2 July 1991
  • Screening for Gene Roddenberry (2 days before his death): 22 October 1991
  • Hollywood, California premiere: 3 December 1991
  • US theatrical premiere: 6 December 1991
  • CD soundtrack : 10 December 1991
  • Comic adaptation : 1991
  • Australia theatrical premiere: 1 January 1992
  • Novelization : 1992
  • UK theatrical premiere: 14 February 1992
  • Japan theatrical premiere: 28 February 1992
  • Germany theatrical premiere: 5 March 1992
  • Hungary theatrical premiere: 1 May 1992
  • Netherlands theatrical premiere: 5 June 1992
  • Spain theatrical premiere: 19 June 1992
  • US LaserDisc: 25 June 1992
  • France theatrical premiere: 22 July 1992
  • Japan LaserDisc: 10 February 1993
  • VHS: 25 August 1993
  • UK network television premiere: 7 January 1995 on BBC1
  • UK LaserDisc: 1996
  • France LaserDisc: 1996
  • Widescreen VHS: 2 April 1997
  • Region 1 DVD: 26 January 1999
  • Special Edition Region 1 DVD: 27 January 2004
  • Special Edition Region 2 DVD: 1 March 2004
  • iTunes Store: 2006
  • Blu-Ray: September 2009

Different versions [ ]

  • Aspect ratios. The film was originally filmed and edited in Super 35 (4-perf). It was composed for multiple aspect ratios (meaning that all the important action had to be centered in a fairly small part of the frame). Every release is a reduction (croppings) from the original, never-released full frame using so-called "soft mattes". For theatrical release, the master was reduced to the usual 2.39:1 aspect ratio used for anamorphic 35mm projection (all the other Trek movies were filmed in this ratio, using anamorphic lenses instead of Super 35). A 2.20:1 version was also prepared for 70mm release (the same was done with all the previous Trek films). The film has never been commercially available in either theatrical aspect ratio, until the Blu-ray release. The non-widescreen television broadcasts and VHS releases were reduced to the 1.33:1 aspect ratio, thus easing up the matte on the top and bottom, but cropping some of the sides. Early widescreen VHS and laserdisc transfers and the first DVD release were opened up to yet another ratio, 2.00:1, and then centered high on the screen with space at the bottom for subtitles, but was non-anamorphic. The Special Edition DVD release was opened up to the same 2.00:1 ratio, but was anamorphicly enhanced for widescreen TVs. Which portion of the full frame is used varies from shot to shot, rather than being a purely mechanical reduction – and the choices are made differently in each release, including the two 2.00:1 releases. Apparently the 2.00:1 is the director's preferred aspect ratio. However, for the May 2009 Blu-ray release, the film was made available in its original theatrical ratio of 2.39:1 for the first time.
  • Extra scenes and edits. Until 2009 , the theatrical cut had never been released commercially in English (however has aired on TV a few times before then). The original 1992 home video release added back in the "Operation Retrieve" scenes (originally, the scene in the president's office ended with the line " This president is not above the law "), the scene between Spock, Scotty and Valeris directly before the trial, and the unmasking of Colonel West on Khitomer (just a few shots are added: Colonel Worf touching West's blood and saying " This is not Klingon blood " between Cartwright trying to escape and Sulu stopping him, the actual unmasking and the C-in-C and Worf looking at each other directly after). These scenes remained in all subsequent commercial releases until 2009 . The 2003 Special Edition DVD release re-edited the scene when Scotty is drinking coffee from a mug and drawing on a blueprint (using alternate shots) and added in flash frames of Cartwright, Chang, and Nanclus during Spock and Valeris' mind meld and slight alternate takes during her interrogation on the bridge. The original cut, albeit with the 2.00:1 aspect ratio, was present on the 1993 dubbed German VHS release. It was also released on iTunes, cut at 2.00:1 (640x320). The various releases of the movie on Blu-ray Disc and DVD in 2009 featured the original theatrical cut in its original aspect ratio.
  • The end credits had a different format for the theatrical version. It featured the Starfleet Insignia at the top and the screen split between a white background and dark lettering and the other side with a dark background with white lettering.

Apocrypha [ ]

  • Star Trek VI was adapted into novelization by Jeanne M. Dillard .
  • A comics adaptation was written by Peter David and drawn by Gordon Purcell and Arne Starr .
  • A novel and comic sequel to the events of this film, The Ashes of Eden , written by William Shatner and Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens , depicts a plot created by a Klingon-Romulan alliance, staged in Chal, a homeworld populated by a race of genetically-engineered Klingon-Romulans. Kirk is called there by a native of the planet, Teilani, to help her people with this crisis.
  • The conference at Khitomer was explored again in the non-canon Star Trek novel Assignment: Eternity .
  • The novel Provenance of Shadows established that McCoy started doing research at Starfleet Medical and other novels have had McCoy as Chief of Starfleet Medical as well. " Encounter at Farpoint " clearly establishes that McCoy was an admiral at that point in time .
  • According to the novel The Star to Every Wandering , at the time of Star Trek Generations , Chekov was working a ground assignment on Earth waiting for an executive officer position to open up. It's likely he was assigned to Excelsior as executive officer shortly thereafter (according to the non-canon novel The Sundered , he took the post of executive officer on the Excelsior ), eventually commanding two starships on his own before becoming an admiral.
  • In the movie, Uhura said she was supposed to be chairing a seminar at the Academy, and The Lost Era novels established that she was going to do that very thing when she was recruited for Starfleet Intelligence and eventually rising to become an admiral and head of Intelligence by 2360 at the latest.
  • The Starfleet Corps of Engineers novels have established that Montgomery Scott eventually became the head of the Corps of Engineers and other books established Scott as having helped to design and work on building the USS Enterprise -E . In fact, the novel Ship of the Line , which dealt with the actual launch of the Enterprise -E, established that Scott was acting chief engineer for the ship's shakedown cruise with Geordi La Forge as his first assistant chief.

Awards and honors [ ]

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country received the following awards and honors.

Links and references [ ]

Credits [ ], opening credits [ ].

  • William Shatner
  • Leonard Nimoy
  • DeForest Kelley
  • James Doohan
  • Walter Koenig
  • Nichelle Nichols
  • George Takei
  • Mark Lenard
  • David Warner
  • Kim Cattrall
  • Rosana DeSoto
  • Christopher Plummer
  • Kurtwood Smith
  • Brock Peters
  • Paul Rossilli
  • John Schuck
  • Leon Russom
  • Michael Dorn
  • Mary Jo Slater , CSA
  • Cliff Eidelman
  • Marty Hornstein
  • Brooke Breton
  • Ronald Roose
  • Herman Zimmerman
  • Hiro Narita
  • Gene Roddenberry
  • Leonard Nimoy and Lawrence Konner & Mark Rosenthal
  • Nicholas Meyer & Denny Martin Flinn
  • Ralph Winter and Steven-Charles Jaffe
  • Nicholas Meyer

Closing credits [ ]

  • Kirk – William Shatner
  • Spock – Leonard Nimoy
  • McCoy – DeForest Kelley
  • Scotty – James Doohan
  • Chekov – Walter Koenig
  • Uhuru [sic] – Nichelle Nichols
  • Sulu – George Takei
  • Lt. Valeris – Kim Cattrall
  • Sarek – Mark Lenard
  • Excelsior Communications Officer – Grace Lee Whitney
  • Admiral Cartwright – Brock Peters
  • Chief in Command – Leon Russom
  • Federation President – Kurtwood Smith
  • Chang – Christopher Plummer
  • Azetbur – Rosana DeSoto
  • Chancellor Gorkon – David Warner
  • Klingon Ambassador – John Schuck
  • Klingon Defense Attorney – Michael Dorn
  • Kerla – Paul Rossilli
  • Klingon Judge – Robert Easton
  • Klingon Officer – Clifford Shegog
  • Klingon Commander – W. Morgan Sheppard
  • General Stex – Brett Porter
  • Excelsior Officer – Jeremy Roberts
  • Excelsior Engineer – Michael Bofshever
  • Excelsior Navigator – Angelo Tiffe
  • Helmsman Lojur – Boris Lee Krutonog
  • Excelsior Communications Officer – Christian Slater
  • Martia – Iman
  • The Brute – Tom Morga
  • Klingon Translator – Todd Bryant
  • Behemoth Alien – John Bloom
  • First Klingon General – Jim Boeke
  • Munitions Man – Carlos Cestero
  • Young Crewman – Edward Clements
  • Martia as a child – Katie Jane Johnston
  • Prisoner at Rura Penthe – Douglas Engalla
  • Second Klingon General – Matthias Hues
  • Nanclus – Darryl Henriques
  • Sleepy Klingon – David Orange
  • Military Aide – Judy Levitt
  • ADC – Shakti
  • Crewman Dax – Michael Snyder
  • Donald R. Pike
  • Ed Anders (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • Jeff Bornstein (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • Eddie Braun (as Excelsior bridge crewman )
  • Charlie Brewer (as stunt double for Brett Porter )
  • Gary Baxley
  • Brett Davidson (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • B.J. Davis (as Burke )
  • Dorothy Ching-Davis (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • Maria Doest (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • Joe Farago (as Excelsior bridge crewman )
  • Sandy Free (as Excelsior bridge crewman )
  • Joy Hooper (as Excelsior crewman in sleep wear )
  • Jeff Imada (as Stunt double for George Takei )
  • Jeffrey S. Jensen
  • Robert King
  • Scott Leva (as Excelsior bridge crewman / Klingon transporter officer )
  • Alan Marcus (as Samno )
  • Cole McKay (as Excelsior bridge alien crewman )
  • Eric Norris
  • Noon Orsatti (as Excelsior bridge crewman )
  • Deeana Pampena (as Stunt double for Grace Lee Whitney )
  • Gary T. Pike (as Gorkon's soldier / Klingon officer )
  • Donald B. Pulford (as Stunt double for William Shatner )
  • Joycelyn Robinson (as Excelsior bridge crewman / Stunt double for Iman )
  • Danny Rogers
  • Don Ruffin (as Excelsior bridge crewman / Chang's assistant / Klingon officer )
  • Spike Silver
  • Erik Stabenau (as Excelsior bridge crewman / Stunt double for Rene Auberjonois )
  • Douglas E. Wise
  • Katy E. Garretson
  • Nilo Rodis-Jamero
  • Dodie Shepard
  • Steven-Charles Jaffe
  • William Hoy
  • Scott Farrar
  • Michael J. Mills
  • Thomas R. Bryant
  • Mickey S. Michaels
  • Eugene C. Nollman
  • Alan S. Kaye
  • Louise Nielsen
  • Ron Wilkerson
  • Kirstin R. Glover
  • Robert Morey
  • Richard M. Stevens
  • Gregory Schwartz
  • John Beyers
  • Charles Lang
  • Keith Barber
  • John Cybulski
  • Ian Christenberry
  • Jeff Durling
  • Thom Embree
  • Michael Katz
  • Daniel Cook
  • Dennis Flanderka
  • Arnaud Peiny
  • Gene S. Cantamessa
  • Steve G. Cantamessa
  • Mark R. Jennings
  • Terry D. Frazee
  • Donald E. Myers
  • Donald Frazee
  • Logan Frazee
  • Eugene Crum
  • Scott Lingard
  • Joseph C. Sasgen
  • Brian McManus
  • Gilbert A. Mosko
  • Gerald Quist
  • Ron Walters
  • Edward French
  • Richard Snell Designs, Inc. ( Richard Snell )
  • Greg Cannom
  • Janice R. Alexander
  • Carol A. O'Connell
  • Don L. Hulett
  • Jamie Buckley
  • Richard Beck
  • Edward G. Fitzgerald
  • Elaine Maser
  • Christine Heinz
  • Joseph R. Markham
  • Robert M. Moore
  • Adrienne Childers
  • Daniel Candib
  • Scott Caldwell
  • Michael Hofacre
  • Richard Sellmer
  • George Watters II
  • F. Hudson Miller
  • R. J. Palmer
  • Frank Howard
  • Bruce E. Bell
  • Suhail F. Kafity
  • Thomas Fucci
  • Fred Stafford
  • Bobbi Banks
  • Victoria Martin
  • Matthew Harrison
  • Marva Fucci
  • Maggie Ostroff
  • Greg Thompson
  • Marcy Stoeven Gibbens
  • Jonathan Phillips
  • Alan Howarth
  • John Paul Fasal
  • David Lee Fein
  • Bunny Andrews
  • Robin K. Eidelman
  • Barbara Harris
  • Jeffery J. Haboush
  • Michael Herbick
  • Greg P. Russell , CAS
  • James Cavarretta
  • Gary Ritchie
  • Mark McKenzie
  • William Kidd
  • Carl Fortina
  • Bob Bornstein
  • Twentieth Century Fox
  • Armin Steiner
  • Rhonda Baer
  • David Trotti
  • Sheila Barnes
  • Laurie Gauger
  • Richard J. Bayard
  • Cliff Bergman
  • Mike Apperson
  • Gary A. Clark
  • Henry S. Coia
  • Jan Glaser , CSA
  • Wendy Engalla
  • Chuck Maytum
  • Michael McCusker
  • Rebeca R. Brookshire
  • Mary Beth Gentle
  • Deborah L. Krainin
  • Mary Jo Fernandez
  • Brent Lon Hershman
  • Brian Wensel
  • Mindy Sheldon
  • Debbie Tieman
  • Scott Russell
  • Michael H. Okuda
  • Bob Hoffman
  • Scott Benton
  • Roland Armstorff
  • R. Harrison Gibbs
  • Russell Alan Steele
  • Buffee Friedlich
  • Aaron M. Albucher
  • John Downer
  • Gerald L. "Jerry" Sater
  • Marc Okrand
  • Brian Wallace

Second Unit Photography [ ]

  • John V. Fante
  • Christopher T. Gerrity
  • Andrea Walzer
  • Frank Del Boccio
  • Frank Parrish
  • Bob Crockett
  • Clinton O. Johnson
  • Cinema Research Corporation

Negative Cutting

  • Theresa Repola Mohammed
  • David Oliver Pfeil
  • Industrial Light and Magic , a Division of LucasArts Entertainment Company Marin County, California
  • Peter Takeuchi
  • William George
  • Bradley Kuehn
  • Jil-Sheree Bergin
  • Michael McGovern
  • Peter Daulton
  • Patrick Sweeny
  • David Hanks
  • Katie O'Neill
  • Patrick Turner
  • Robert Hill
  • Scott Anderson
  • Eric Armstrong
  • John Berton
  • Richard Cohen
  • Joe Letteri
  • Jim Mitchell
  • Joe Pasquale
  • Alex Seiden
  • Gail Currey
  • Jon Alexander
  • Donald Clark
  • Jeffrey Doran
  • Selwyn Eddy III
  • Keith Johnson
  • Patrick Repola
  • Kenneth Smith
  • David Karpman
  • Jennifer Lee
  • Thomas Rosseter
  • John D. Whisnant
  • Debra Wolff
  • Michael Ellis
  • Robert Fernley
  • Nelson Hall
  • Lisa Vaughn
  • Bruce Walters
  • Charlie Clavadetscher
  • John Graves
  • Steven Reding
  • Eric Swenson
  • Thomas Bertino
  • Kathleen Beeler
  • Rebecca Petrulli-Heskes
  • Sandy Houston
  • Terry Molatore
  • Jack Monogovan
  • Ellen Mueller
  • Carolyn Rendu
  • Wes Ford Takahashi
  • Gordon Baker
  • Christopher Green
  • Peter Crosman
  • Shari Malyn
  • Joshua Pines
  • Randall K. Bean
  • George Gambetta
  • Timothy Greenwood
  • Preston Richards
  • Lawrence Tan
  • Jon Foreman
  • Brian Gernand
  • Jon Goodson, Jr.
  • Richard Miller
  • Alan Peterson
  • Eben Stromquist
  • Paul Theren
  • Wim Van Thillo
  • Charles Wiley
  • Richard Demolski
  • Robert Finley, Jr.
  • Ross Lorente
  • Craig Mohagen
  • David Morton
  • Charles Ray
  • Carol Lee Griswald
  • Alia Almeida Agha
  • Nancy Luckoff
  • Tina Matthies
  • Matte World – Marin County, California
  • Craig Barron
  • Michael Pangrazio
  • Krystyna Demkowicz
  • Paul Oehlke
  • Joel Hladecek
  • Wade Childress
  • Peter Kuran
  • Al Magliochetti
  • Kevin Kutchaver
  • Linda Henry
  • Tim Segulin
  • Rick Hannigan
  • David Tucker
  • Jacqueline Zietlow
  • Pacific Data Images
  • Les Dittert

Production Support

  • Karen Logan
  • Barbara Cimity
  • Cliff Boule
  • Nina Salerno
  • Randy Weeks
  • Craig Newman
  • Katie O'Hara
  • Pete Martinez
  • Monte Swann
  • Jeffrey Harstedt
  • WildFire, LA
  • Foam Tec, Inc.

Rear Screen Projection Compositing by

  • MCA Compact Discs and Cassettes
  • Music by Alexander Courage
  • Technicolor ®
  • Panavision ®
  • Alaska Film Commission
  • Alaska Helicopter Company
  • Dave Archer Studios
  • Pfaltzgraff
  • Durand International
  • David Keith Anderson as Enterprise -A crewmember
  • Rene Auberjonois as Colonel West
  • Lena Banks as Federation president's assistant
  • Terrence Beasor as Klingon voices
  • Robert Bruce as Klingon officer
  • Faith Burton as Starfleet flag officer
  • Eddie Caldwell as Romulan
  • Max Cervantes as Daz
  • Barron Christian as Klingon assistant to Commandant
  • Dragon Dronet as Klingon spectator
  • Andre Dukes as Klingon Rura Penthe guard
  • Douglas Dunning as Alien delegate
  • Joe Durrenberger as Klingon officer
  • Farrel as Klingon General
  • Mark Gonzaga as Vulcan delegate
  • Trent Christopher Ganino as Klingon judge
  • Clay Hodges as Klingon officer
  • Klingon officer
  • Klingon helmsman
  • Bruce Koski as Alien delegate
  • Tony Lawson as Klingon
  • Susan Lewis as Enterprise -A officer
  • Beau Lotterman as Romulan delegate
  • Daryl F. Mallett as Rura Penthe prisoner
  • James Mapes as Zelonite official
  • Marin as Enterprise -A crewman
  • Patrick Michael as Enterprise -A crewman
  • Claude Nemeth as Klingon Rura Penthe guard
  • Dennis Ott as Knee Jerk Alien
  • Jim Portnoy as Starfleet flag officer
  • Khitomer flag bearer
  • Klingon spectator
  • Evans Ricciardi as Starfleet flag officer
  • Denise Lynne Roberts as Enterprise -A crewmember
  • Richard Sarstedt as Romulan delegate
  • Eric A. Stillwell as Klingon spectator
  • Geraldine Sylvester-Bush as Vulcan delegate
  • Kevin G. Tracey as presidential adviser
  • Roma Lee Tracy as silver tube amazette alien dignitary
  • Guy Vardaman as Klingon officer
  • J.D. Walters as Klingon
  • Clint Zehner as Rura Penthe prisoner
  • Five Klingon Kronos One crewmen
  • Four presidential advisers
  • Three Klingon Rura Penthe guards
  • Klingon judge
  • Romulan delegate
  • Tellarite delegate
  • Zelonite ambassador
  • Zelonite official
  • Female USS Excelsior security officer
  • Male USS Excelsior security officer
  • Greg Gault as stunt double for David Warner
  • Dennis Madalone as a Klingon officer
  • Stunt double for Christopher Plummer
  • Patrick Michael as stand-in for Leonard Nimoy
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  • ReelViews James Berardinelli For a movie that begins with such promise, The Undiscovered Country ends with a whimper.
  • New York Times Janet Maslin The principals' enthusiasm for their material has never seemed to fade. If anything, that enthusiasm grows more appealingly nutty with time.
  • Decent Films Steven D. Greydanus A rousing sendoff for Kirk, Spock, and Bones, and a fitting transition from the original series' Cold-War milieu to the Next-Generation age of engagement.
  • Austin Chronicle Marc Savlov One of the dullest films of the sextet thus far.
  • Antagony & Ecstasy Tim Brayton Not very great Star Trek, but it's such an impeccably made popcorn movie that it's just not worth it to pretend that it matters.
  • Boston Globe Matthew Gilbert It's time to let TV's "The Next Generation" take over for good.
  • Hollywood Reporter Henry Sheehan Meyer keeps his camera hopping and the production has a dark, atmospheric sheen that persistently suggest mystery and danger. Not the best of the series, but a suitable farewell.
  • Los Angeles Times Michael Wilmington There are weaknesses here--especially when the climax becomes too packed and chaotic, and the goodby over-hasty. But Meyer and Flynn get a fullness back into the characters.
  • Variety Variety Staff Weighed down by a midsection even flabbier than the long-in-the-tooth cast, director Nicholas Meyer still delivers enough of what Trek auds hunger for to justify the trek to the local multiplex.
  • Washington Post Hal Hinson If, indeed, Star Trek VI turns out to be the last of the series, it couldn't have made a more felicitous or more satisfying exit.
  • Washington Post Desson Thomson Director/coscripter Nicholas Meyer moves this vehicle efficiently. He employs some tremendous visuals.
  • DVDJournal.com Mark Bourne The bang/buck ratio is high and it's packed with pithy dialogue and little emotional kicks that make it a worthy, dignified sendoff for the crew we've followed for so many (dear God, so many) years.
  • Common Sense Media Charles Cassady Cold War-influenced exit of classic space crew.
  • Combustible Celluloid Jeffrey M. Anderson Meyer's direction and dialogue are among the most fluid and exciting of the whole series, and he manages a lovely 'final' feel, saying goodbye to the old crew and embracing the future at the same time.
  • Old School Reviews John A. Nesbit entertains and has a number of interesting comments on contemporary human affairs
  • Three Movie Buffs Scott Nash Nice to see you in action for one last time, Captain Kirk.
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The third and final season of Star Trek: Picard  was full of legacy characters and legacy ships, but there were even more considered, according to showrunner Terry Matalas.

More Voyager and DS9 cameos considered for season 3

During a Master Replicas Collectors Club Zoom chat in February, Terry Matalas talked about several other characters they had considered for season 3. One example would have reunited Seven of Nine with her grown-up Voyager protégé Naomi Wildman:

“There was an episode once the Titan was on the run and it needed to hide. And so we had this idea of Seven bringing them to sort of like space Tortuga, like spacedock for pirates where the Fenris Rangers were. And she gets help from an older Naomi Wildman who had also followed in her footsteps as a Fenris Ranger and was a badass. But Seven realizes she sort of created a monster because Naomi had become harder than she was. And so it was it was a Seven/Naomi story. We broke the story and we had reached out to the actress who played Naomi [Scarlett Pomers]. But it just didn’t feel—if you had 13 episodes, you were doing this for sure. But if you had 10, you’re like, ‘I need to get to LeVar.’ It’s time to get there.”

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Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine and Scarlett Pomers as Naomi Wildman in Voyager “Bliss” (Paramount)

The main plot of season 3 led up to the Federation’s Frontier Day celebration with Starfleet assembled for one big event in episode 9 (“Vox”). That episode featured the return of Elizabeth Shelby (Elizabeth Dennehy) from TNG, Matalas revealed the original plan was even more ambitious:

“Harry Kim appeared as the captain of the Voyager-B in the first draft of Frontier Day. But Prodigy was telling a lot of Voyager stories and we didn’t know if Harry was going to appear and we didn’t want to step on their toes. But yeah, for me, I would have had as many as we could get. I would have made that Star Trek Avengers: Endgame . I would have made Frontier Day with many ships… I would have Kira [Nerys from DS9] there, even if all you get is a bridge shot. But all of that is very expensive. We were already way too ambitious.”

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Garrett Wang as an alternate future Captain Harry Kim in Voyager “Endgame” (Paramount)

In the final episode, they’d considered reuniting Seven of Nine with Admiral Janeway, her former captain on the USS Voyager, but again, it was a bit too ambitious:

“We had talked about Janeway, obviously, because her name got dropped a bunch of times. But mostly just because she’s the admiral everybody knew. It would have felt like if we had put Janeway in the in the finale—specifically in the last scene where [Seven] is promoted—that was the original idea, she gets a promotion from Janeway, it might have overwhelmed the scene and made it more about Janeway and less about Seven of Nine. And we couldn’t afford Kate [Mulgrew] even if we wanted to. So it all worked out as it was supposed to.”

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Admiral Janeway in Prodigy episode 10 (CBS Studios)

The showrunner was happy with how everything worked out and glad to bring back the characters they could. He talked about how there was some pushback from the studio and Paramount+ when it came to his ambitions:

“They got the last two scripts and they were like, ‘How do you?’ We had to start building the Enterprise-D in the second week we turned the key on season 3, because it takes so long. So honestly, the fact that we got away with what we got away with—like Tuvok. I was really glad to get Tuvok, I always loved Tuvok.”

In the end, Tim Russ appeared in two episodes, one as a Changeling infiltrator posing as Tuvok and then as the real Tuvok, who informed Seven of her promotion to captain in the finale.

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Tim Russ as Tuvok in “The Last Generation” (Paramount+)

What happened to the Enterprise-E?

Season 3 of Picard had several USS Enterprises. It brought back the USS Enterprise-D from TNG, which Geordi restored at the Starfleet Museum, and introduced the Enterprise-F, commanded by Admiral Shelby on Frontier Day. It also rechristened the USS Titan as the Enterprise-G. What is missing from that list is the USS Enterprise-E featured in the final 3 TNG movies and fully operational at the end of Star Trek Nemesis . According to canon, after Jean-Luc Picard was promoted to admiral and left the ship to take over the Federation’s efforts to help Romulan refugees, Worf was promoted to captain and given command of the Enterprise-E.

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USS Enterprise-E

Picard season 3 was set two decades later and turned the fate of the Enterprise-E into a gag, with Goerdi noting the ship wasn’t available and Worf defensively saying it wasn’t his fault, leaving it a mystery. Matalas was asked if he and the writers had worked on what really happened to the E. He said they had ideas but felt it worked better as a gag:

“We had ideas, but in the moment where they’re asking, ‘What about the Enterprise-E?’ it would not have been good for someone to be like, ‘Well, the Battle of duh, duh, duh.’ You are looking at the Enterprise-D! You couldn’t do it and you wouldn’t do it justice, whatever it is. You could say it is in storage or we are repainting it. You could, but I thought, but I thought it was way funnier if they all turned to Worf and he’s like, “It wasn’t my fault.” So everyone is going, “What the hell happened?” That’s way more fun. Somebody can tell that story some day about what happened with Worf and the Enterprise-E but it’s more fun to imagine yourself all the possibilities. Is it lost in an interdimensional rift and it’s still out there somewhere? Was it an accidental self destruct? Who knows? The question is almost better than the answer.”

Perhaps someday the story of the Enterprise-E and why it wasn’t Worf’s fault will be picked up in the books or comics or even on another Trek show.

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Worf gets defensive over the Enterprise-E in Picard “Vox”

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I would’ve loved to have seen both Kim and Janeway back in this. IMy girlfriend watched the season literally hoping to see Janeway lol.

But unfortunately they only had so much money. I get it but yeah. Captain Kim on Voyager B would’ve been fun to see as well.

But all said and done these were only going to be cameo roles anyway, so no biggie. And I have a feeling we will see them both in live action again at some point.

I would personally love a Admiral Janeway Paramount+ movie and catch up to her life in the 25th century, especially after the events in Prodigy.

How about a Captain Paris show, or a The Adventures of Kira tv movie, or perhaps a series with Commander Hoshi.

Or, and here’s a wild idea… TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.

You can do both Emily. They are literally doing both now, hence why Lower Decks and Discovery have only new characters in their main casts and both are (now) Post Nemesis shows so what am I missing?

Also Starfleet Academy will also be in the 32nd century with all new characters, yes? That’s three shows so again what am I missing?

Emily you have gotten past the point of tiring. But then you act like the franchise isn’t actually doing what you keep moaning about when it’s doing that. You can make shows with new characters and you can make shows with legacy characters. Isn’t that what Star Wars is also doing? Funny you never seem as bothered with that franchise literally doing the same thing but you obviously like that more than Star Trek so I guess it gets a pass?

Actually I would love a Kira TV movie as well. That would be super interesting.

‘TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.”

Starfleet Academy will be be doing this next year. So I’m going to state this again, this literally what you want so stop whining already. Seriously. 🙄

And no one wants it. Because Star Trek of the last few years has trained fans to expect legacy characters. That’s why no one wants Discovery or Starfleet Academy, they want Legacy.

They don’t want Discovery because they think it sucks which last time I checked you think it sucks as well, right?

So are you saying you think it sucks because it doesn’t have legacy characters on it or because you just think it’s a bad show?

If it’s the latter then why do you not give others the same leeway? 🙄

They can actually hate Discovery for other reasons correct. Emily there are thousands of posts of people citing their hate for the show. I don’t think 1% of those thousands of posts has mentioned their lack of TOS characters as to why they hate it.

I will go one farther and say even when they DID get legacy characters in season 2 many still hated the show lol. So that kind of deflates your argument just a bit more correct? Correct Emily?

Do you not understand why it’s become a complete waste of time trying to have a conversation with you ? This is why. Literally this.

Emily you are probably a nice person but you are highly annoying with some of the most binary arguments I have ever seen. You don’t take into account anything else except the same tired mantra. This response has made this clear.

And now please from this point on just ignore my posts. Because in three days I will be repeating this to you like it’s groundhogs day again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

I’m sick of it.

Please stop talking to me. You have become a tedious and over redundant bore. I hate to be this harsh but I just had it. Leave me alone.

Wow. Even though I haven’t posted much, I have been lurking into this forum since the beginning of Discovery and have read thousands of posts, and probably hundreds by Tiger2 alone. And you’re one of the most polite and nice people I have read on forums. If I was the one you were this harsh to, I would have to rethink everything I said and ponder why the heck someone nice like you is that mad at me! (and yes, I do agree with you on all of it).

Also, people seem to hate the idea of Starfleet Academy because Discovery was really bad (for them…and me) and the future Discovery is now a part of is kind of not as interesting as it could be. And while I am one of those who do not want this show, I have to have an open mind.

I mean, when I heard they were doing an adult animation show, I was sure it would be bad. Lower Decks is one of my favorite shows. When I heard they were doing an animation show for kids, I thought it was nice but not for me. Well, that show is also one of my favorites. When I heard about Strange New Worlds, I was really mad that they were doing another prequel instead of going forward. I still hate prequels, but that show is good anyway! When I heard they were making Picard, I was so stoked! I thought it would be GREAT! But it really sucked (until season 3. Still not perfect, but perfectly enjoyable)

Moral of the story: I wish people would judge the final product instead of wasting energy about hating something they haven’t watched yet, and even worse, don’t know anything about it except the setting.

New characters or legacy characters shouldn’t matter. The stories and writing should matter. If a show is good, it’s good.

That being said, that line of thinking makes me really disappointed every time there is a new Discovery season lol But I still hope for the best for the last one!

Thats all entirely fair, to judge somethng once you have seen it. But counterpoint, unless Discovery somehow undoes the destruction of the Federation in it’s last season, I have no interest in the 32nd century in the slightest. Star Trek is supposed to be about how humanity gets better with time, not how a crying baby blew everything up.

Yeah I might have been a little too harsh but I’m only being honest. It’s very frustrating to try and have a discussion with someone who really isn’t here to have a discussion, just to keep repeating the same issue as if we are hearing it for the very first time.. again.

And she has responded to me directly over this dozens of times now in the same snarky tired fashion over and over again. Anytime someone says they like or want to see a legacy character it’s the exact same response (“FANS JUST WANT MORE LEGACY CHARACTERS AND NOSTALGIA”) when A. That’s just not true and B. She contradicts her own arguments time and time again. As I just pointed out she has given plenty of diatribes over her issues with Discovery but then oddly claims other people don’t like it because it doesn’t have legacy characters in it (which I disproved very easily that’s not the case). But then on the other direction she admits to liking SNW and LDS but then accused others of ONLY liking those shows because they carry nostalgia and more legacy characters.

It’s beyond baffling. How can you have a discussion with someone like this when their own argument is contradictory and loaded with fallacies.

But as I said Emily is just here to just rant about having legacy characters not to have a conversation about it. Notice not a single post she has ever made here remotely tries to do any give and take (“Ok I see your point here, but I disagree with you on the other because…”), it’s the same annoying argument no matter what anyone says (“THAT JUST PROVES FANS WANT MORE NOSTALGIA!!) and so on.

I’m sick of it. Some fans are just completely unselfaware with too much tunnel vision. She’s one of them.. It’s warped binary thinking and nothing else it seems. I have made multiple essays (like this one lol) citing her points agreeing with her on some things but disagreeing on others. It’s been a complete waste of time because she doesn’t engage in anything and it’s totally ignored in the next article, so why bother?. I don’t even think she reads anything anyone says. It just always comes back to the same conclusion every time.

And after a year of it, I’m sick to death of it. She can say what she wants, I just want it to be left out of it, that’s all.

And yes we see eye to eye on a lot of these shows. I admit I always been more skeptical of Discovery from the beginning, for being a prequel and just not really fitting into it’s time period very well. Those two issues have been resolved and yet I’m still having issues with it.

Picard I expected to love from the jump but every season has been messy and season 2 easily my worst season of Star Trek ever. Season 3 was better for sure but I still don’t think was amazing, just better when compared to the new shows. But decent IMO.

I was also skeptical of both animated shows but surprisingly they both won me over very fast. Oddly for me anyway they are probably the most consistent and strongest shows for their formats.

SNW I felt I would like from the start but I was still a little worried about it (especially after Picard lol) and for being yet another prequel. It’s not perfect and the canon issues really bugs me lol but it’s a good show overall IMO and just get back to basics. For me I would rate it around Voyager and Enterprise and I love both of those shows.

And yes people are reacting to Starfleet Academy more negatively because they either not fond of Discovery or the basic premise. I really do feel it’s more the latter than anything.

But end of the day, good Star Trek is good Star Trek. If it’s a prequel or a sequel, filled with legacy characters or totally new ones, NONE of that matters unless it’s just a good show on its own. And if it is people will respond positively to it even if it’s still not their cup of Earl grey.

NO, I don’t want an Academy series because it takes place in the Federation decimated future and I HATE that Discovery did that because of a baby with mommy issues.

‘baby with mommy issues’ I didn’t realize that a kid watching his mother die in front of him and being left alone with a bunch of holograms was something for that kid to just shrug at and ignore.

I must be a a bad parent then for teaching my daughter that she should care about people around her and not just act with apathy towards others.

Care is one thing. Having the power to destroy the galaxy but not having the power to control it is another. Word it any way you want, it was a STUPID plot device.

Personally I’ve no issues with the SFA show. (Apart from it being made by Secret Hideout which has a terrible track record and puts the show in a deep hole to begin with) I DO have issues with it set in the Discovery far future. That was a huge mistake. Feels like it was an attempt to keep the weak Star Trek Discovery characters going. I promise you some will still show up from time to time. One may even be a regular.

But I’m used to really bad ideas from SH.

Thats exactly how I feel. If you want to make an academy show fine. just don’t put it in Discovery’s destroyed future.

> Or, and here’s a wild idea… TELL NEW STORIES WITH NEW CHARACTERS. Push the franchise FORWARD, not backwards. It’s not difficult.

Yes and no — ordinarily I’d agree completely, but Picard Season 3 was a bit of a ‘greatest hits’ retrospective from top to bottom. As much as I wasn’t crazy about that, if there was ever going to be a more appropriate time for things like this to happen, it would be here. :P

How about Star Trek going forward and not just regurgitating movies and series around TOS, it is so tedious. Human Spock, Spock as a woman, singing Spock jeez ffs how bad is it gonna get. 25th century Trek is the only decent Trek so let’s not just keep going backwards. They are stagnating this franchise. Next Star Trek 90210, it just can’t get any worse surely?. A Star Trek show aimed at young adults that just don’t give a crap about it. Some here might not like Picard S3 but it it is so much better than the awful writing of SNW season 2. Also the characters and acting are much better than any Nu Trek series by quite a margin.

To be fair to her she has complained about SNW revolving door of TOS characters too. So she’s not being a hypocrite but just very very annoying at this point.

I have said the same thing about 50 times now, this is what NuTrek does. It’s not the 90s anymore, competition is more fierce today and Star Trek is behind a pay wall so you have to do whatever to get those subscribers.

There is a lot of fans out there that will only pay for these shows unless it’s a character they knew and grew up with, mostly casual fans.

Shows like SNW and Picard ONLY exist because they know there are old TOS and TNG fans that wants to see these characters back so they are obliging.

But same time they are in fact making new shows with new characters. Right????

I am so tired of having the same conversation about this again and again and again. Especially when you bring this up and it gets ignored until she repeats it again as if we’re talking for the first time.

I am so sick of her and I would have put on ignore months ago now. One guy in another thread was recently brutally slammed because people have gotten sick of having the same tired arguments with them because they just want to argue about useless topics over and over again.

She is no different. No one is forcing her to watch any of it . And I’m just sick of her. I really wish she would just leave me alone. She hasn’t had anything interesting to say since she’s been here. Some fans are just socially inept.

I have said the same thing about 50 times now, this is what NuTrek does. It’s not the 90s anymore, competition is more fierce today and Star Trek is behind a pay wall so you have to do whatever to get those subscribers.

Writing cringeworthy Star Trek…does not appear to have “gotten those subscribers.”

Well since both Picard and SNW have both made it in the top 10 Nielsen ratings multiple times they seem to have gotten at least a few.

But since they are making less Star Trek now and not more of it I guess it’s still not doing enough.

I agree about the shows casting older characters because they are a ratings draw! It’s not about loving it yourself. It’s about acknowledging that it exists. It’s also not just Legacy fans that want these characters to come back. I have heard on multiple different Star Trek sites fans wanting a remake of TOS. I myself don’t want to necessarily see it but that’s ok. The universe is big enough for us all!

I also think it’s important to point out that I don’t think the studios always want the shows featuring the older characters to be popular. I do think the studio wishes they had some other options, hence the Academy show. Actors for that will inevitably be cheaper than ones who have been around since the 90s. I definitely don’t envy the studios. A Star Trek fan is very hard to please!

Yep agreed on all of this. Yes fans just what they want but it’s not just old fans begging for more TNG era but also for more TOS. People want their comfort food.

I mean the fact we are still watching Sty Trek in itself speaks to that. It’s ALL nostalgia, period when you’re discussing a 57 year old franchise. It’s just a matter of degrees of how much nostalgia that’s being enlisted. For many just having a show taking place on a Starship is nostalgic enough. That’s why 5 out of 5 of the shows all take place on one today. At least in the classic era of shows one of them took place on a space station.

If I had it my way, we wouldn’t had any legacy characters back along with no prequels or reboots. No Kirk, Picard, Scotty, Janeway, Kira or Worf. Discovery would’ve been a show that took place in the mid 25th century with all new characters; which BTW many fans actually wanted. Very few were begging for another TOS or TNG redux or begging for it now. Most don’t have a problem starting anew, but many still want any show set in the Prime universe more than anything.

But the realities of streaming viewership dictates nostalgia and IP branding is the name of the game in every known franchise today. They just announced they are working on an X files reboot for Disney+ and a Harry Potter show is being made for HBO Max. None of this stuff will ever go away because yesterday’s childhood is today’s adulthood and everyone is reliving the past regardless.

‘Well since both Picard and SNW have both made it in the top 10 Nielsen ratings multiple times they seem to have gotten at least a few.’

I wonder what some fans will think when Discovery S5 is in the top 10 Nielsen ratings as well.

I mean whenever new episodes of Discovery have aired they are always in the top 10 on Paramount+ and i have no doubt S5 will be in the top 10 again and in the Nielsen ratings too.

Look at Lower Decks that is also in the top 10 on Paramount+ when new episodes air and it did on Amazon too but it never entered into the top 10 Nielsen ratings yet it still has been a big success for Paramount and for the Trek fandom.

It’s seem to me that the narrative that some try to paint that Discovery has lower viewer numbers are painting a false narrative.

I don’t know anything about the Paramount+ ranking because I never seen those. I had no idea LDS or DIS got higher rankings on that site when they aired new episodes. Not a shock but good to know.

And I’m only referring to Picard and SNW because those are the only shows that made it in the top 10 since Star Trek has been included last year. But no I won’t be shocked if Discovery makes it in the top 10 next year, especially because a lot of final seasons actually gets better views when networks/studios market them as such.

And of course it could just be in the top 10 without any of that. I don’t care either way, I just want to like the show more next season as I eventually did for Picard.

They weren’t really measuring viewership of the shows the same way when Discovery was the only game in town, but it seemed to do well for Netflix, and CBS All Access kept growing. Clearly Discovery contributed nicely to that, hence the renewals and our getting 4 more shows, 2 of which made the top 10s for multiple weeks. The shows are objectively popular. It’s no longer a matter of making popular Trek shows to get new subscribers – they’ve probably nabbed all they can. It’s about finding a balance for how to hold onto most of them without having to spend as much as they were when they had 3 big budget live action shows on top of 2 animated series all at the same time.

And I loved both Picard season 3 and SNW season 2 and looking forward to SFA. I actually pretty happy with what we been getting lately and I admit both of those seasons weren’t perfect but satisfying.

I am being cautiously optimistic about SFA but I am looking forward to it just because it is NEW CHARACTERS AND GOING FORWARD! Yeah it could definitely suck but until we just know more I’m being positive.

The irony is for me at least this has been some of the best Trek since the 90s and I have very little complaints these days. I love seeing all the legacy characters and really hope we get more but excited for any new characters as well.

I’m a happy camper. I’m hoping Discovery season 5 will continue my high and not kill it but I’m not as hopeful about that show sadly.

Good for you, I I have to admit Star Trek is more diverse than it has ever been. But to me now it is pretty awful and I have no optimism for any Star Trek Discovery spin offs let alone a teenage sit com Academy Discovery spin off. And those spin offs are no better than Discovery. SNW is just awful Sci Fi for me, the writing is utter crap, low time for Trek. It is sit com trash. Tbh there are so many better Sci Fi series than Trek right now so it’s not a big thing that Star Trek is crap right now.

And that’s totally fine. Some people take this stuff far too personally or seriously. They are just TV shows. If you gave them a shot but still hate them then yeah move on.

I have never hated a show. I think some have sucked lol but that’s a big difference from outright hating something.

If I hated something I wouldn’t be paying to watch it period and wouldn’t care it got cancelled. But I just want them to improve more than anything. And at least in my view in terms of NuTrek most of it has. But others like you see it differently and that’s completely valid.

I agree, but the hatred for Discovery and the love for SNW is mind boggling. SNW is not a better written series, it is just a nostalgia fest. I hate reboots and what Trek is doing now. I would not watch a TNG and DS9 reboot as it is Hollywood laziness. Like Emily said we need new characters and at least Discovery had that. I have more time for that than reboots or consistent prequels which is the staple for Trek right now.

It’s an interconnected sci-fi universe that’s been made over the course of nearly 60 years with an unbroken line of continuity. Even the “reboot” films are directly connected to these shows. That allows for all sorts of stories to be told – catching up with old characters and exploring new ones and new time periods and places. That’s a huge privilege, and since really only Star Wars and Doctor Who have a similar unique status, it’s not like there’s a ton of templates on the “right” way to grow and keep the franchise relevant, fresh, and appealing.

Star Trek is threading the needle rather well IMO. Discovery and Starfleet Academy mine a new time period. Picard, Prodigy and Lower Decks explore the post-TNG timeline, the latter two especially differently than Trek has ever done before. Strange New Worlds mines prequel territory. There may be old characters in the mix throughout, but they are accompanied by plenty of new ones. I think these shows are all different enough and favor a diverse Trek audience while still being able to appeal to us all. Whether the individual quality is judged to be up to snuff is another matter, but I prefer to think I’m lucky to even be able to consider scoffing at the idea of a DS9 continuation. So many other shows and movies never got to have all the possibilities Trek does as such a successful franchise.

You’re also right about just moving on. There is nothing wrong with just loving the shows you grew up with. If it’s making you miserable don’t feel the need to keep going! Focus on what makes you happy in Star Trek. If you do keep going try not to focus so much on the little things. Most importantly though try to keep the expectations low! The opinions on what makes Star Trek great vary widely! So never assume that they will ever meet what you have in mind.

I have to agree. Anything based in the baby federation killing Discovery timeline is a no go in my book. I’ll check it out but I have no expectations to like it.

Where did you hear about a female Spock being in the works? And Spock has always been half human? Additionally, Spock has both played musical instruments and sung before in Star Trek?

I’m pretty much on board with all you said there, Hammers. Right on.

Also wouldn’t Legacy be pushing the series forward and not backwards. SNW and the 2 animated series are the ones pushing the franchise BACKWARDS . Emily you just dislike TNG but your arguments have no substance. Picard was the only series pushing forward in my eyes.

TNG is my favourite tv show of all time.

And in what world is Picard S3, with *yet another* plot about the Borg, and cameos from Ro, Tuvok, Moriarty, Shelby and lots more ‘pushing the franchise forward’? They literally, copied the final scene of All Good things and just did it all over again. Season 3 couldn’t have bIt’s all so pathetic.

You think bringing the Enterprise-D back (via some nonsensical explanation) was pushing the franchise forward? Come on. Think!

We get it. You hated Picard you hated bringing back legacy characters. You do not have to mention it everytime an article appears. This is getting beyond tedious- and whatever you point you are trying to make has gotten hopelessly lost behind this caricature you’ve created. It’s beyond boring and it’s time for you to log off.

This article literally talks about legacy characters. I mean its an interview with Matalas, so what else is he capable of talking about, but if this isn’t the place to bring it up, where is?

Took the words out of my mouth

Its pushing the franchise forward because it is in the 25th century instead of the 24th. You say you love TNG as a metric but TNG had McCoy. Spock, and Scotty. Where is the difference?

Oh please, looking to the past as much as they did far outweighed the fact that it took place in the 25th.

TNG had McCoy, Spock and Scotty in ONE episode each out of 178. That’s the difference.

That’s not much of a difference at all when you consider modern streaming shows get 10 episodes per season at best and not the 20+ eps of TNG. And that none of the modern shows will ever get to 7 seasons. Also, I was referencing McCoy, Scotty and Spock specifically but the ties to TOS go WAY beyond that. Heck they practically duplicated a TOS episode with the Naked Now.

TNG legacy characters feature in 1/3rd of Star Trek Picard. TOS legacy characters feature in 1/60th of TNG. And a third of them was literally a two minute scene.

Again, TNG had the benefit of twice the number of episodes per season at the very least and ran for seven seasons which Modern streaming Trek will never do. So your ratios make no sense because the numbers are not similar across shows.

Also, what is even the big deal about bringing Ro or Tuvok back? Ro was ONE episode and Tuvok was one a literal two minute scene.

Besides, in universe, those cameos make sense. I can believe that Ro was let back in Starfleet after DS9 and Voyager vindicated the Maquis and the Cardassians nearly wiped them all out. Tuvok makes perfect sense because of Seven. Really, the only Picard character that doesn’t make sense is Data. The dude has died multiple times and keeps coming back for the most ridiculous reasons. THAT is the character I would be complaining about!

Moriarty’s cameo felt pointless to me, that I admit.

I’ve seen arguments lamenting that the Trek shows weren’t doing *more* crossovers when TNG seasons and movies, DS9, and Voyager overlapped at various points. That sense of regret seemed to peak when the MCU was all the rage, showing audiences could lap that up without difficulty and it could bolster storytelling opportunities. Rick Berman didn’t even want to see the Enterprise E on TV. Did that really benefit anyone?

Umm, you failed Maths didn’t you. The ratios are absolutely comparable.

I’ll put it another way so you can maybe understand….

TNG legacy characters feature in 20/60th of Star Trek Picard. TOS legacy characters feature in 1/60th of TNG.

20x more legacy characters in Picard than TNG.

Ro on her own, fine, Tuvok for one scene, whatever, but Shelby, Moriarty, Lore, Matalas wanted even more cameos. It’s all just so pathetic.

TNG ended 30 years ago. At that time there was only 79 episodes of TOS and 6 movies to call “legacy” and be nostalgic about. We’ve been blessed with hundreds more hours of Star Trek with an unbroken continuity over three decades. It’s not realistic or even in the franchise’s best interests to say it shouldn’t revisit any of its past stories or characters in various ways. Picard season 3 was a unique reunion event. Why not take it for what it was and enjoy seeing beloved characters back for one more ride? That’s better than practically shaming us by insinuating we’ve been brainwashed to expect and like that kind of nostalgia all the time. If it’s not a one off and they keep doing this for other shows then sure that’s a concern – but how Lower Decks and Prodigy handle callbacks and legacy characters is different than Picard, as is what Discovery and SNW did. And they’ve all contributed interesting new characters, ideas and narrative threads to Trek lore along the way.

It’s fine to be wary of how much the franchise leans on nostalgia and uses old characters for shortcuts, but it’s wrong to dismiss everything out of hand because Trek’s giant interconnected past is getting referenced and leveraged. There’s no one to be upset for – Trek is trying all manner of different approaches to storytelling with every show and there’s something within that for every fan new and old.

32nd Century is doa. In my opinion, the 25th interests me though.

I this is a bigger issue. People want to see more of the 25th century then the 32nd. Yes part of it has to do with having more legacy characters. The other part is that the 32nd century has been a crushing bore to many people and I’m one of the few who likes i

Seconded. I HATE the 32nd century where a crying baby destroys the Federation. Most ridiculous plot I have seen of not just Star Trek but any show EVER!

Sign me up for the Kira TV movie.

Your ‘wild idea’ has been happening. And your mileage may vary with those, imo.

Devotion to canon? You are alot of fun Emily!

Emily on the money here.

I don’t know why there is a resistance in giving an update to the stories of previous characters. Based on your attitude on this matter, we wouldn’t have had the movies featuring Kirk and crew, and THEY are the reason the franchise is as popular as they were, which warranted an update. PICARD, season 3, did a good job at doing an update, and reminded the fans as to why the TNG cast/crew are still as popular now as they were when first introduced.

Honestly, I kind of hope they never reveal the fate of the E, because referring to it vaguely like that going forward feels like an inside joke.

Yeah I’m not bothered by it either. That said you know in a year we will probably get a Worf novel that will chronicle that storyline lol.

Which is fine because I don’t consider books canon and won’t likely read it.

But you’re right.

It would be a bummer if the fate of the E was revealed in a novel, but I can see that happening…😞. I would ignore it.

*Sigh* These capital ships, which were once almost regarded as characters in their own right, have become so disposable that their ultimate fate can be brushed aside with an offhand joke. And a fairly lame offhand joke at that.

Shoot, even I, MUDD has got accurate though humorous references to the E being a lady and that they love her! I think I like that show more than most of you (mainly for the Spock/McCoy exchange at the top of the teaser, which was, amazingly enough, left off the CBS video club VHS.)

This demystifcation of the ship has got to be an offshoot of Harve Bennettization of Trek, where you crash one copter, you get in another one and keep going.

Yeah, that’s how Bennett described it when talking about Roddenberry’s negative reaction to the destruction of the Enterprise in TSFS, as a generational thing. During the Second World War, bomber pilots like Roddenberry gave their aircraft female names and decorated them with bawdy insignia. In the Korean War that Bennett (and my father) fought in, a plane was just a plane.

I wouldn’t place that on Bennet. It was shocking and a gut punch then. The problem came when it was repeated in Generations then Beyond. Then we get the complete creativity gap from Secret Hideout… The only difference there was there was less of an attachment to those ships. In the case of the D I was actually applauding it’s demise!

I agree with this, Roddenberry especially considered the Enterprise to be one of the main characters in the show and even gave it a she pronoun. I think the modern makers of Trek kind of want to stay away from humanization of technological things as much as they can or just see this extensive technological development to be a bad thing in general. This is partly why I believe they went with the destruction of the federation idea for 32nd century. In fact Roddenberry’s other show Andromeda had avatars of the ships so it was kind of the ultimate end-point of Roddenberry’s idea of the ship having its own personality/character.

I’m not so sure whether it’s a conscious effort on the part of the producers to de-emphasize technology or not. But now that I think of it, it is striking how little Trek productions utilize the “computer voice” as compared to TOS, even going back to the TNG era. In this era of increasingly sophisticated voice-activated AI you’d think it would be precisely the opposite.

Y’know, it might be a wonderful idea to have future writing staffs actually old story memos and writer guides to mine them for the parts that would still be of use going forward.

Plus go back to the FOR THE UNIFORM ep of DS9 to see how much fun it is to do scenes where orders have to be repeated and transmitted manually. If you’re going to go no-tech, really do it (like if they’d done VOYAGER without the endless shuttles and power to run the holodeck) for a stretch, then you have appreciation for the tech when you do go back to it.

Matalas wanted even more legacy characters, because of course he did. Cringe-tastic.

Cry? I’m laughing. It’s hysterical.

Given that S3 was supposed to be a one-off reunion, the legacy actor appearances were fine by me. Now when someone next tells me that we next have to use one of the precious new Star Trek series slots up for a whole series with a legacy flavor, and that Jack character who never worked for me — that’s when I agree with you 100%

I get your point – and agree, to a point.

But, by Season 3, this particular series needed all the cameo help it could get.

He hoped that the legacy characters would hide how devoid the show was of any original thinking. It did not work

I’m kinda on a similar page there. The cameos from known characters seemed to me to be little more than shiny objects to distract from the very weak story they put together. Well, the 2nd half at least. That first half was actually decent. Too bad they didn’t leave it with that and flush out the Founders situation and ignore all the Borg garbage.

To me the only way that should have been done was as a huge event with as many DS9’ers and Voyagers included as possible. And try to give every one of them something important to do.

Also, the idea of turning Naomi Wildman into yet another cliche “badass” warrior woman would have just been tired. Too bad the writers at SH weren’t capable of coming up with something more unique and interesting.

While I would’ve gotten a kick out of seeing live-action Janeway again, I had always assumed the Jeri Ryan/Kate Mulgrew mutual dislike might’ve been the reason why Mulgrew didn’t make a cameo. Have they appeared anywhere together in recent years?

This has been settled long long ago now. Mulgrew apologized to Ryan and they are friends now. They appeared together at conventions for several years now.

I always bring up the fact half the TOS cast hated Shatner for decades, especially George Takai. It didn’t stop any of them appearing in seven movies with the guy, countless conventions and other appearances from commercials to video games.

This is Hollywood, it happens all the time. Most put aside their differences and just do the work.

Yes they have and all is fine now, so I’m sure that wasn’t the reason.

Although I get Terry’s reasoning (besides the money thing), I still feel Janeway would’ve been a better choice than Tuvok as it was Janeway who liberated Seven from the Collective and to have her finally promote Seven to captain would’ve been so fulfulling (full circle – pun intended) and emotional.

That’s long, long, long since been resolved as far as I’m aware.

I think the Enterprise E is most likely in quarantine and infested with tribbles. I hope we get a “Lower Decks” episode explaining this!

…at least that would be an on-screen explanation.

HA! We already had a Prodigy ep explaining it. The E-E was in the battle n the season finale of that show and got decimated. How the powers that be don’t know this, I have no idea.

“ The question is almost better than the answer.” – I don’t love everything TM has done but he’s spot on w/ this statement. Something prequel-ers could learn from

It’s not even that original. It reminded me of what DS9 did when Worf was asked about the Klingons in Trials and Tribbleations. Again, the question was better than the answer and was great that Worf didn’t explain it. I found it entertaining then. The redo… Not so much.

Yes, exactly. Agreed.

> But Prodigy was telling a lot of Voyager stories and we didn’t know if Harry was going to appear and we didn’t want to step on their toes.

That’s completely fine, but do the Prodigy folks not have, say, a telephone? Kinda bounce the idea off them. Maybe they’d integrate it into their own plans. I know the timing probably doesn’t work out, as far as writing, since this stuff can be years out, but I’m just kind of surprised at how often I hear how… isolated… these folks seem to be on a series of shows that take place so close to each other temporally.

Exactly. Not only that it was reported that all the show runners get together every year to discuss their storylines and what potential legacy characters they plan to use and in what way.

That’s literally why Okona had an eye patch on Lower Decks because McMahan has a discussion with the producers of Prodigy and told them they were going to use the character and he lost an eye so it was incorporated on his show as well.

So I’m very confused why this wasn’t brought up with them, especially since we don’t know if Kim will be on Prodigy. And unless they planned to kill the character or something I think they could’ve had a conversation and work something out.

That’s completely fine, but do the Prodigy folks not have, say, a telephone?

Just maybe all of this is yet another argument against cultivating Star Trek series like mushrooms.

Quality, not quantity.

oh you had to go and bring up mushrooms…..

The most important thing would be following up on project Phoenix, and giving Kirk a better fate. I don’t even care if it’s animated like prodigy. I really would love to see that story.

Not every character needs to go out in a blaze of glory. He helped save an entire planet. That’s enough.

I’ve never had the problem with Kirk’s death that most have. Honestly I thought it was fine.

Same. Maybe HOW he died could’ve been better but I never had a single issue with the intent or the outcome. He’s been dead for literally 30 years now in real time and the Star Trek timeline. The franchise has moved on long ago.

I had no issues that Kirk was intended to die, but HOW it happened is what I have issues with. Kirk deserved the same end that Spock had in ST II. The problem was Berman’s ego and the fact that the writers produced a subpar script after having been exhausted from writing both Generations and All Good Things at the same time.

I didn’t mind that Kirk died, but on a bobsleigh ride? That’s pretty underwhelming lol

I thought it was Home Depot scaffolding…lol

OMG, YMMV, but that was one of the lamest death scenes in movie history. Just unforgivable, lazy writing. And Malcom McDowell said so as well — in fact, he could not believe that Shatner or somebody on set did not speak up about it.

Shatner should have never accepted to do that movie. Even the test audiences tore it apart.

I have to agree with this, as much as I hated the way they took JTK out. And it was 30 years ago now. It’s over. It’s canon. It sucks.

It’s canon that Spock died. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t come back

Not every character, but Captain Kirk — yes, if he has to die in a movie, then it 100% needs to be in a much more meaningful way than Bridge on the Captain.

Look at the way Spock died — that’s how you do it.

Not even close. Kirk’s death was so bad that “dropped a bridge on him” became a hollywood saying for a character that is unceremoniously offed. I feel quite confident in this particular case to say you are in the minority in your view of Kirk’s death. Also, Berman originally had it planned to have Kirk literally shot in the back. It’s pretty clear where the powers that be were with that character.

> That’s way more fun. Somebody can tell that story some day about what happened with Worf and the Enterprise-E but it’s more fun to imagine yourself all the possibilities. Is it lost in an interdimensional rift and it’s still out there somewhere? Was it an accidental self destruct? Who knows? The question is almost better than the answer.”

Good call; and it also had the advantage of being almost a spiritual callback to “we do not discuss it with outsiders” as a hand-wave in the face of a huge question.

Of course whether it’s follow-up on Enterprise where they actually answered the question was a good idea or not is up to you. Personally, while it was completely unnecessary and probably unwise, I thought they did a decent job crafting a story out of it.

So while I hope they never answer where the E went, I’m not above entertaining an interesting story about it should one happen to crop up some day.

Cancel everything. Give Matalas all the money. Give him creative control. He gets it.

And let’s get Shatner back. The chances of this happening are getting ever slimmer.

He gets what exactly? How to involve legacy characters at the expense of pushing the franchise forward?

It’s so pathetic how Trek has stagnated these past few years, and how fans don’t even care.

FIVE shows in production at one time is Stagnant?

You don’t understand the definition of that word do you?

I agree Star Trek is stuck in its own past. Have we seen a single show in the past 7 years that wasn’t full of references and callbacks? Nope. Disco S1: the entire thing, callbacks. S2, more so. S3 and 4 actually push the universe forward, but half the fans despise the show and don’t care anymore. Picard S1-3: laden with references. Lower Decks: nothing but references. Prodigy: Voyager sequel. SNW: all references. It’s just pathetic. Where is quality, original writing in Star Trek these days? Answer: nowhere to be found, and won’t be for a while.

I don’t know why I have to keep reminding people of this but you just described every Trek show ever minus TOS. TNG had McCoy, Spock, and Scotty. DS9 had frequent crossover eps with TNG and a revisit of Trouble with Tribbles. Voyager started at Quark’s Bar and had Sulu. Enterprise (pathetically) had it’s series finale with Riker and Troi. Enough with the bad “stuck in it’s own past schtick. It’s old and boring.

I don’t know why I have to keep reminding people of this but you just described every Trek show ever minus TOS. TNG had McCoy, Spock, and Scotty. DS9 had frequent crossover eps with TNG and a revisit of Trouble with Tribbles.

I disagree quite strongly. McCoy’s appearance in TNG was a cameo that lasted what, two minutes, and was intended to act as a symbolic passing of the torch. Scotty’s episode was one out of about 200, as was Spock’s. Moreover, “Unification” was hardly steeped in nostalgia. It featured (1) Sarek dying of dementia, and (2) Spock at least facially defecting to the Romulans.

Much the same was true of Picard’s appearance on DS9. It was the passing of the torch, and it featured the new captain, Sisko, with a *chip on his shoulder* against Picard, at that. “Trials and Tribulations” was again one episode out of about 200 and intended to celebrate a milestone anniversary for the franchise. (Bashir’s appearance in one TNG episode and Quark’s in another were more gratuitous and unnecessary, but they were mercifully short.)

It was never remotely the all-nostalgia, all-the-time crossover fest of modern Star Trek.

it’s also stagnant in that there seems to be a complete lack of moral, meaning, and message in the new episodes, less so with SNW, but there’s not a ton there. It’s all plot plot MacGuffin, plot. Disco and Picard are really just action movies drawn out across 10 episodes. That’s not really the heart of Trek imo

I’d say Discovery hammers home morality and messaging quite a bit amidst the action, it just doesn’t always do it very artfully.

TNG literally copied a TOS episode with the naked now. There were several references to the OG Enterprise. the Enterprise D was a spiritual continuation of the idea of the Enterprise A, etc… McCoy might have been there for a hot second but Relics was centered around Scotty and Spock has a brief appearance in Unification and starred in Unification II, which in turn was a slight tie in to Star Trek VI.

Also As I have pointed out to others here, TNG had over 20 eps per season and seven seasons, neither of which is ever going to happen on a modern day show. So of course the cameo type characters are going to stand out more in a show which has WAY less content.

And I even forgot to mention Sarek who mind melded with Picard and had a forever influence on him.

DS9 had a bit more in the crossover department though. Q, Vash, Worf, Gowron, Tom Riker, Tuvok, Kurn, Alexander, Lursa and B’Etor.

Beyond the pilot crossovers, Voyager additionally had Q, Riker, Troi, Barclay (a lot), Sulu, Rand, the wayward Ferengi from The Price, the Borg Queen, and Geordi.

It was all over the span of way more episodes than the new shows, but at the time the only thing I raised an eyebrow over was how often Troi and Barclay kept showing up on Voyager. I am fine with interconnectedness. I think the small universe problem is more confined to shoehorning Spock into Discovery and bringing back so many TOS characters for SNW right down to having a relative of Khan in the crew.

TNG featured McCoy, Kirk and Spock and even the second episode was a complete remake of a TOS episode. Was that pathetic?

THIS! As I have reminded others, the TNG ep with Spock wasn’t just a Spock cameo, it directly referenced ST VI when Undiscovered Country was in theaters. DS9 had not only TNG crossovers but Trials and Tribulations. VOY had the Star Trek VI reference was will with Sulu. Enterprise (admittedly badly) had Riker and Troi in it’s series finale. But somehow most if not all of that was acceptable while modern Trek shows are being blamed for measuring it’s success on nostalgia. News flash, THEY ALL DID THAT!

TNG never showed Kirk. It mentioned him, causally in passing, twice. It showed McCoy for less than two minutes. And the Spock it showed was a serious character study of a radically changed, wizened, 80-years-later historical figure — not a theater-of-the-absurd farce of him mounting a saddle and shouring “Riker manuever” as if he were doing a poor imitation of Slim Pickens.

That wasn’t Spock, that was Boimler.

Spock’s appearance in Unification I and II wasn’t just ended there. His role forever changed the Romulans, even for Star Trek 2009 and Star Trek Picard. It’s not just the amt of screen time or mentions a character has, it’s the influence. And Spock influenced the 24th century more than most of the TNG cast did. The TOS influence on TNG is undeniable.

Yeah, The Naked Now was pathetic, I would say.

As for the characters, I thought the appearance of McCoy was short and sweet — exactly how these things should go. But I’m not a fan of TNG’s use of Kirk or Spock. Generations was a mess and poor Nimoy had a stilted contractual obligation look all over his face in Unification.

So, about two-thirds “pathetic,” I guess. But maybe underwhelming is a better word.

How exactly is the 25th century not pushing the franchise forward? The last time we had an all new set of characters in live action we got Discovery. And that worked out soooooo well! /s

The best I think we could hope for from Shatner would be a voice role now – even though he looks fantastic for a 93 year old – and even then it would probably have to be a flashback or holodeck thing. My favorite character of not only Trek but any television show, but I feel that ship, and HIS ship, has sailed.

Shatner has already done a lot for the franchise. So I think it’s maybe better to let someone else stand in the spotlight for a bit.

What exactly will Shatner be doing? Hosting a documentary?

It wouldn’t be the first time.

He gets nothing

Except how to make an emmy award winning show that has re energised a franchise.

The thing is though with a show called Picard you kind of expect these callbacks, as a concept it can never be a fully original show because it deals with a character we’ve seen for 7 years before. This is a general symptom of the loss of creativity in the entertainment sector in general. I mean what was the last truly original show or movie you watched in the last 10-15 years? I can’t even remember. Discovery had the right idea but lacked in the execution department. Discovery created some cool original characters like Lorca, Tyler, Saru, Stamets, Reno, Kovich, Admiral Vance etc… but haven’t managed to used them as effectively as they could, instead focusing mostly on the needless emotional stuff for the most part.

Okay I totally get that Janeway was being considered for a cameo. But then after that you absolutely have to go to Nana Visitor next, who unlike Kim played a major character, and who also has been so great to the fans over the years, and would still look and perform fantastic and her iconic role as Kira.

In fact I’d put Nana first in line given Janeway is already on an existing Star Trek show. And although I really enjoyed Ro showing up in that great cameo, they easily could have figured out a way for that character to have been Kira instead in that role — again preferring a major character over a secondary one and getting a DS9 original main cast member involved.

You know, they only have so many slots to bring back some of these older actors who played major roles in past Star Trek series, so I think Kurtzman and company should be bringing back characters that aren’t already on one of the existing series — and also major characters need to be in the front of this line before they get to supporting characters.

No. Kira had no prior history with Picard. Ro did. That was absolutely the right call.

Well for me that was a relatively minor scene. You may differ, but I’m not one of those fans who was always hoping for a Ro-Picard reunion to heal their relationship.

I have mixed feelings about how Picard handled most of the DS9 stuff. I definitely wanted to see more of the characters considering that the story dealt with the Federation/Dominion war. There was a whole scene where they showed Odo and talked around him but never said his name! It was quite weird. On the other hand, the ending of DS9 was so great, I am not sure I need to see where the characters are now. I am okay with how it ended and that’s saying a lot for any tv show.

I am not surprised that the budget played such a huge factor in who they could and couldn’t get. Some people are just going to be beyond what you can afford. So it’s better to focus on what you can. I do think the storyline with Naomi would have been quite interesting given that when we last saw her she was quite gung ho for the Federation. I wonder how coming home changed all of that? It would have been nice to see Harry Kim get promoted and actually get some future info on him. Although I am glad they did manage to get Tim Russ. I always liked his portrayal of Tuvok and was disappointed that his storylines seemed to drop off after a certain point in time. Also Tim and Jeri had great chemistry on screen. Not the romantic kind just the co-workers kind and yet it really worked. So it was nice to see it briefly in Picard.

I would have loved to see a ds9 character (IMO Worf doesn’t count). Instead we got a vague reference to Odo at best. But this was a season about Changelings. No one knows more about them than Kira!

Good point on the Changelings — that seems so obvious a great fit for Picard S3 now that you’ve brought it up.

Yuppers, Kira literally melded with a changeling (Odo). She came closer to knowing the Great Link than any solid ever has!

Also, ironically, Kira was originally intended to be Ro in DS9 till Michelle Forbes turned down the offer.

I expected Captain Kirk to be in season 3 revived, either working for the Borg against Picard or working for section 31.

Well Matalas did say that the scene with Kirk’s revived body in status was inspired by the Shatnerverse, in which exactly what you talk about happened.

You know, given Shatner said he’s be OK with a future AI version of him being created so long as his family is compensated — this kind of gives the plot device for that to happen, right?

Heck, if he is fine with it who are we to argue LOL.

You can’t get ten pounds of s**t in a five pound bag, that’s why….

Considering bag sizes are based on volume, not weight, I could see some very dense s**t weighing 10 pounds fitting into a bag designed for 5 pounds of typical density s**t. For example, Mountain Lions have the most dense s**t of all mammals.

Hope you can swing back around to Star Trek someday, Terry.

You’ve got plenty of time. You’re 48 but you look 27 FFS. (What the hell.)

I’m satisfied with what we got in S3. My head canon did have Harry Kim commanding Voyager-B.

I doubt Kate and Jeri would do a scene together, especially with their past conflicts. But, money talks.

Kate apologized to Jeri and they appear together often, what are you on about?

If you needed to free up time for Naomi, might I suggest getting out of the nebula one episode sooner?

…..or ditching episode six entirely.

I love the way this guy thinks. He tried to get everyone he could in S3 without sacrificing story or breaking the budget. Leaving the fate of the Ent. E ambiguous was a smart and intriguing move. His love for the franchise is contagious, and he knew he had just one season, one shot to arrange a proper send off for the TNG crew, and imo he did so in spades. I was happy with every cameo we received. I know this is a divided subject here, but I for one would love to see what Terry would do with more time and resources. Cheers!

and you must have watched a different S3 to everyone else

Clearly. Me and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people as well, apparently.

Why do you think you speak for “everyone else?” You don’t. The season had it its flaws, but S3 was a heck of a ride.

There was a story?

I’d say 7/10 of it had a story. Then they completely dropped it and went off the rails at the end.

I’m glad that budgetary reality reigned Matalas in. This was supposed to be a send-off for TNG, not an occasion for endless cameos from VOY and DS9. Harry Kim was a peripheral, bland character in any event and would have detracted from the series. Frankly, I could have done without Tuvok’s cameo as well.

Seven, of course, is a bit different; as an ex-Borg, there was indeed a great untold story about her meeting Locutus, and I’m glad we saw it. Had Auberjonois still been with us, an Odo appearance would have been organic, too.

I agree. Star Trek has long suffered from small universe syndrome. Additonal cameos would have only added to the problem.

Small universe syndrome is something plaguing the franchise. With the exception of this thread’s premise, of course. Just my opinion, lack of confidence, experience and depth in the writing. We keep going back to Kirk, Spock, etc., prequel, prequel. And any new character (mostly) is one-dimensional and just there to satiate a studio’s obligation. Sorry, this may get some blowback. Cheers.

Though I enjoy the occasional familiar guest star (Scotty in TNG, Sulu in Voyager, Ro in that one episode of Picard), there is a limit, just like with everything. It can work when it’s done strategically and organically. But the way a lot of recent Treks have done it, I don’t know, seems to me like they’re shaking the old Star Trek Encyclopedia and seeing what falls out.

I loved the way how TNG era shows use to handle their legacy cameos, where it was a tradition to have a cameo from a previous show in the pilot episode of the new show (In fact Stargate continued this tradition too) I wished the new shows would do the same, just get their cameos for the pilot and for the rest of the show maybe only small mentions or appearances.

Yep, exactly.

That would mean no Ambassador Spock and no Romulan Unification, no Star Trek 2009+, etc… You are underestimating the importance these cameos can have.

Oh the cameos did have importance, but also the point was not that. The point is that they were generally used as sparingly as possible. Of course the bigger problem here seems to be that serialized 10 episode arcs don’t seem to suit Star Trek in general. It needs to have at least 13 episodes, even if it is serialized.

It’s not just franchise fatigue but it’s a generational aspect that all the producers now “grew up” with the legendary characters. So they have opportunities to work with those charatcers in ways the producers before never did. It’s not just a cash grab, it’s genuine. Just… as in relationships, I had a rule: never go back.

That’s all well and good. But show me a franchise that doesn’t do this? I remember a time when Friends, Mad About you, and Seinfeld all crossed over with one another and put all of those characters in the same universe. I didn’t see any complaining when Paul Reiser was Kramer’s land lord or Hellen Hunt saw Lisa Kudrow (Phoebe not Ursula) at Central Perk.

I don’t think anyone is making the case that Trek should never do this, rather it’s about how they go about it, and how often. And lately, in my opinion, they’ve been drunk on cameos and references. It’s all a bit sweaty and pandering, like one of those sitcoms you mentioned back in the day having a surprise guest appearance during sweeps week. Only now the sweeps never end.

But why? IMHO bringing Ro back spoke to Picard’s inner struggles with his past that have been the thesis of this entire series. Bringing Tuvok back for a few moments made just as much sense as having Seven in Picard from the start since they are both VOY characters.

IMO the character that makes the least sense is Data. He’s died a handful of times now and keep coming back. And unlike Spock, it wasn’t earned. there was no sacrifice in bringing him back like David dying and the destruction of the Enterprise in ST III

I was happy to see Michelle Forbes, though.

until she blew up

Yeah. That parks sucked. But at least it informed the audience that all bets are off and no one is safe. Except for Data of course which seems to have more lives than Spot.

Yeah the Tuvoc cameo felt shoehorned in, and a Harry Kim cameo? Really?

For my money they should’ve dumped Vulcan Gangster in favor of Naomi Wildman, which would been far more interesting.

Come to think of it, they could have saved a lot of money on Amanda Plummer, too. She was great, but the character went nowhere. I guess that’s a shot I’m taking at the writing.

Definitely agreed.

I felt bad for her. She did the best she could given the writers gave her a cardboard, silly, baddie.

Yeah, I’d have been just fine with fewer cameos and stunt casting in favor of making room for Rios, Soji, and Elnor.

I was kind of expecting them to connect Plummer’s character with her fathers characters from Star Trek 6 somehow, but you are correct in the end the character just fizzled out.

That would have been cool.

Vulcan gangster and ferengi gangster were easily the best thing about this lame show

Scarlett Pomers is apparently out of acting. There would have been plenty of fans wanting her head on a pike if they recast the character.

” Star Trek  Avengers: Endgame ” Dear GOD, Please make this happen !

LOL Ironic considering Kevin Feige named Avengers: Endgame based on the VOY finale and All Good Things was his inspiration for the time travel exploits of the Avengers.

ok, listen, Picard was great but are we still really talking about it a year after it aired?

Agree. It’s time to move on, for better or worse (and for one, I fear it’s going to be worse). :)

What else is there to talk about? Everything else bites.

Maybe we should talk about the past. Anyone want to do a thread on Bantam and early Pocket Trek novels? Has anybody here actually read Mack Reynolds’ MISSION TO HORATIUS? I ask because I couldn’t make it through myself. It’s the first original TREK novel outside of SPOCK MUST DIE and I guess it hinges on LSD being dumped into a planet’s water supply. It was in my Jr. High School’s library, back before such things got frowned upon by narrow and closed minds.

It really is getting stale at this point.

Only the folks with a real hard on for season four….

PIcard is the last season of Trek we got. I’m sure next month when Discovery airs all the topics here would move to that.

Terry could always make some Short Treks for Star Trek Legacy, have a Voyager Homecoming story, Captain Proton, Seven and a older (Recast) Naomi Wildman, Scarlett Pomers is off the grid unfortunately and many more

I’d love to see a Legacy short trek!

GOOD I am so glad they didn’t get their hands on Naomi and ruining another wholesome character and turning her into a violent psychopath murderer like they did with Seven. I’ll never get over the character assassination they did to Seven. Completely shameful.

7 was not just a bloody thirsty killer here, there were reasons why she went there but was worthy of being captain of the Enterprise by the end.

How would you feel if someone murdered a person who is essentially your adopted child? Brashly calling her a “psycopath murderer” is clearly now what Seven is in the slightest.

Why are we asking where the Enterprise E is? It was very clearly decimated in the season finale of Prodigy.

I get worried for legacy characters in “Nu-Trek” it is like the star cameos in 1970s Irwin Allen disaster movies, which ones make it out alive

LOL, like before you know it, Kate Mulgrew is the George Kennedy of Star Trek.

Just the other night I watched the first movie George Kennedy was ever in, “Lonely Are The Brave,” starring Kirk Douglas. George was quite the force.

OK, now I am going to watch that — I bought it on Blu-Ray a couple of years back but never got around to watching it — thanks!

Cool – good film.

You couldn’t turn left or right at a theater in the mid-70s without seeing Kennedy in a movie. One month he had AIRPORT 1975 and EARTHQUAKE, both with Heston, and that was probably between THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT and THE EIGER SANCTION.

He didn’t phone it in either — even when he was stuck in a superturkey like CONCORDE-AIRPORT 79, he really seemed to be trying. The stewardess from the movie is from EMANUELLE and she actually has a line like ‘you pilots are such men!’ Kennedy’s reply: they don’t call it the cockpit for nothing. Having his ground engineer character turn into a pilot in the fourth movie in a series seemed pretty out there, but geez, then he and Delon are putting the Concorde through barrel rolls, followed by an emergency landing that makes Star Trek V”s fx look good by comparison. At one point, while flying upside down, Kennedy opens the side vent on his window and distracts a nearby missile by firing a flare.

God, that is such a terrible flick — about 20 years ago I found a vhs copy at Movie Madness in Portland to show my wife, and she admitted that it was as bad as I had implied, but then asked why I felt compelled to show it to her anyway!

Guess I just wanted to share my pain, and gain strength from the sharing.

Good stories. I actually have the Airport boxed Blu-Ray set that I got in a bargain bin years back — still haven’t watched any of those.

I did get the Action Jackson blu-ray based on your recommendation a couple of weeks back — I will let you know what I think when I get to watching it.

You’ve never seen Captain Picard and Captain Stubing together, have you? Makes you wonder just how badly the time lines been polluted….

I dunno about Picard, but I personally believe that Discovery and SNW exist within the altered timeine of the Temporal Cold War but both will eventually be undone when Archer reverses everything and ends the war. It’s entirely possible Picard is as well.

But yeah, for me, I would have had as many as we could get. 

This quote illustrates a major problem with Trek today. Instead of coming up with a good story first, and then perhaps finding one or two ways to highlight some past characters, it’s a quantity over substance bling thing to shoehorn in all the old fogies they can get to service the fans.

On SNW, it’s “were going to take some huge swings.” On JJ-Trek, it’s, “the Enterprise needs a more muscle car look.”

I just want some good Star Trek. Season 1 of SNW was awesome, then we got the big swings thing with the crossovers and musical nonsense. Then Picard S3, while comforting from a reunion aspect, went way overboard on the silly space opera stuff.

Just tell some Star Trek stories. No more bling, gimmicks and faux Star Wars please!

this may be the last time with these characters s why not get in as many legacy faces as you can with this last season. luckily circumstances helped to ease up on ‘fan service’ in this case.

I agree, provided this was truly the last time — I mean, the acting was great and the reunion aspects are why I appreciated it, even though I thought the story and action was not great Star Trek.

Welp with Ro at least unless they pull a “data” on her, she is going to stay dead.

I like space opera. To each their own…

I think Tuvok was a better choice than Janeway for this last scene. Janeway would have overshadowed that scene. Also, it was cool to see Tuvok since he has a good connection with Seven as well in Voyager. Seven had the best arc of the season and that was an amazing yet simple scene. I really want a Captain Seven show!

Yes it’s funny: people want a Seven show, people want a Riker show, they want a Worf show – but no one says: I want a Tuvok show. A Tuvok show would be rad!

I agree as well. Almost all Trek characters could lead their own show. It’s just that for me, we have invested some time during these three seasons of the Picard show on Seven to watch her arc (most impressively in season 3) and get the chair. With the exception of Riker, we have never witnessed a captain’s journey as thoroughly as Seven’s. I guess you could say that SNW is showing Kirk’s journey, but his own ambition is what drove him. Same with Picard and Janeway. Sisko was promoted but still did the same job and commander. Archer was a lead on the NX-01 project. Burnham had a good path, but then I don’t know what happened. And now she’s co-captain with Saru? Anyway, I hope for a Captain Seven show mostly because her path to the chair was the most interesting of any captain I’ve seen before, and we actually watched it unfold.

Tuvok and Suder cop show plz

Matalas is wrong, VERY wrong. The fans deserved to know definitively what happened to the Enterprise-E. Choosing not to reveal the fate of an Enterprise? Bad move, Matalas. Bad move.

You seem pretty heavily invested in knowing. I don’t really care. Maybe she went out heroically, or in a really bad space dock accident. It doesn’t matter.

The really bad space dock accident made me think of GALAXY QUEST, thanks!

Either way it would have just been a line of throwaway dialogue. Would it really have made a difference in the scene? It was going to be the D, never the E, that we reunited with. The way it was written, allowing Michael Dorn to be funny, was perfect.

That last scene was so obviously written for Janeway, you could feel her presence until Tuvok appears. Don’t get me wrong, I love Tuvok and I am so glad that he survived being replaced by a changeling, but that secene was a Janeway scene.

Lol, that Naomi Wildman idea is so unbelievably bad. Agree with the Enterprise E stuff though, more fun to leave it to the audiences imagination.

Nobody will ever be able to convince me that Voyager was not the correct choice of ship for the encounter with the borg at the end of Picard.

The only brought out the 1701D because it was a TNG fan service thing.

Voyager was faster, more maneuverable, it’s computers were more powerful, it’s weapons were comprable, and there’s not a ship in the fleet that has ever destroyed more Borg, and proven herself up to the task, than Voyager.

Janeway got lucky , should really have not engaged the Borg and sort to protect her crew instead.

Her victories over the Borg Queen actually diminished the menace and threat posed by the Collective.

The part about Voyager destroying Borg cubes is only true if the upgrades to the ship from alt timeline Janeway remained intact. From what we saw of Voyager in Picard S3 I doubt that is the case.

I am sort of glad Kim and Janeway didn’t appear. It would have felt like they were just shoe-horned into the episode. And we have Janeway on Prodigy. And it was great to see Shelby again. Picard season 3 honoured many TNG characters and keeping it to the TNG universe was a good thing. And I think everyone loved the Enterprise-E jokes.

Picard was garbage. Just let the old man die already.

Wow. You must be so delightful to be around.

It’s Ok, Terry, I can’t afford Kate Mulgrew either when she’s at a convention.

I get that they only had so much money but you really could’ve saved a lot by cutting the entire Raffie subplot. I would’ve rather had Worf going solo as some sort of Klingon Ronan. I dislike that character immensely

It is such a shame to hear about someone who clearly had so many plans for the show, and certainly executed very many of them. But it is hard to hear that we could have had so much more if they had the time and the money. Surely the people in charge must have known that this was VERY MUCH WORTH BOTH! Could you have imagined a Star Trek Endgame situation.

Say Picard got a full 24 episode season, which would have been like all my Christmas’ come at once. Say this time the Borg have found a way to modify their Transwarp hub technology which now let’s them travel to any point in Time as well as Space in only a few moments. Eventually after the TNG crew is back together we find out that destroying any part of the hub wouldn’t matter as the gateways exist throughout all of time and their exit points, like wormholes don’t exist until their are used. Or some other technobabble.

Eventually we learn that this Temporal Transwarp hub has a central power source, of sorts. A focal point in which the whole Network runs through. But getting to it is tricky because due to its nature it exists across all of time and the only to destroy it would be a combined effort with ships baring a different temporal signature. So from a different time. So Data and Geordi cook up a fancy temporal message beacon that transmits the plan across all of time. By this time The Borg, with a massive fleet are advancing on Earth, Kronos, Romulus, Cardassia and many others, but for Earth thanks to Fleet Week FINALLY Earth has more than just The Enterprise In range to assist. So the entire fleet is present and we get a cool shot of Fleet Admiral Janeway ordering all ships to move into Earth Defence Formation Alpha.

Similar to First Contact we cut back the The Enterprise D and hear the ordering of Earths defences into place. Picard and crew feel they can do no good here so contemplate heading to Earth to join its defence. Even though The Borg can bring in ships from across all of time so they can keep throwing ships at Earth with almost no end. Plus a Borg Armada is also only moments from arriving at the focal point.

As they are about to leave Data picks up spikes in Tachyon in their area. Dozens of Temporal anomalies begin to form. Picard believes they are more Borg, sent from another tomecto stop them. But Data decents various signatures from the incoming ships, Federation signatures, Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, Andorian and even some Ferengi. Enter famous ships from all of Trek history.

Kirk’s TOS era Enterprise, The Refit Enterprise A, Sisko’s Defiant, Janeways Voyager, Archer’s Enterprise Refit, Pike’s SNW era Enterprise (Kinda messy canon here but it’s fanfiction so all good), Burnham’s Discovery (Big groan I know but its part of Trek history), A younger TNG crew on the Enterprise E, Commander Tomalok with Romulan Warbirds, Ambadassor Sovak with a small Vulcan fleet (And a sly nod to the ENT nonsense that The Vulcan Science academy still doesn’t accept time travel), Shran with some Andorian ships, General Martok and Gowron with a Klingon Fleet, Gul Dukat and Cardassian Ships etc etc. You get the idea.

Similar to, and a nod to, the TNG finale all the famous Federation ships must fire some sciency beam at the focal point to collapse it. Then all present would return to their time and the Borg temporal transwarp hub would be destroyed.

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