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filetage chariotage sur Schaublin 102 ou similaire

  • Auteur de la discussion copeau 78
  • Date de début 4 Déc 2011
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Bonjour j'ai vu qu'il existe des appareils à charioter fileter adaptables sur ce type de tours voici les questions: 1) est vraiment pratique à utiliser ? je vois les limite du système en chariotage avec la longueur de chariotage limitée par la course de la coulisse longitudinale ( +- 10 cm ), ce qui semble acceptable en filetage pour un amateur. merci à celui qui utilise de me faire part de son expérience 2) quelqu'un a-t-il réalisé ce genre d'accessoire ( trop cher pour un non professionnel ) ? merci  

  • 18 Fev 2012

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Nickel, Belle modif. Bizarre que le moteur cale, peut être que la passe est trop importante ?  

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La fréquence est certainement trop basse donc un manque de couple énorme et ça cale!!!! Très belle modif, c'est plus du bricolage...  

pour le filetage , j' y avais été un peu fort : une chute de fer à béton ... dans l' alu , le laiton ou le bronze ça va pas trop mal : le moteur ne cale plus . par contre je vais devoir désosser les cardans de chez Merlincabaneàlapin il y a un jeu très important ; sans doute justifié pour leur usage initial. mais impossible de retomber dans le pas, à moinsse qu' il y ait une combine . en chariotage , l'avance est trop importante ( la démulti c'est pour faire du pas de 100 ) je modifierai . bonne soirée  

  • 20 Fev 2012

Bonjour, vu qu'il y a une rainure sur les 2 cotes du banc prismatique, j'ai toujours pensé à l'éxploiter pour y fixer un chariot en plus. Les avantages : pas de bras télescopique avec ses eventuels jeux, plus longue course pour le filetage-chariotage, pas de copeaux dans la glissière, facile à proteger. L'incovenient : devoir faire de A à Z un chariot complet avec les queus d'arondes etc ..., peut-etre refaire un chariot croisé plus adapté (plus bas). Mais bon une chose c'est penser à une solution, une autre c'est la réaliser, donc bravo ! C'est un très bonne réalisation, de laquelle pourront s'inspirer beaucoup de personnes du forum, car on est tout plein à avoir des bancs prismatiques, et pas de vis-mère ! Une question que je me pose : y a t'il moyen de régler la position des deux engrenages intermediaires, pour ajuster le jeu, et/ou changer d'engrenages pour modifier le pas du filetage ? Encore bravo, Den  

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Je critique pas dutout, loin de là ! C'est juste qu'on ne voit pas derrière les engrenages comment c'est fait c'est pour ca que j'ai demandé ! Quand je parle des rainures laterales, ce n'est pas pour les utiliser comme guides de glissement directement, mais pour y fixer un chariot complet à queues d'arondes, au moment de le fixer on peut facilement l'aligner au comparateur. Sur mon tour (Mikron T90), le plat autour de la rainure est assez précis, car gratté géométriquement, et jamais utilisé. Donc à mon avis en fixant un chariot dessus, celui-ci sera parfaitement paralelle. Puis, ca doit bien servir a qqchose cette rainure ! Je vais tenter le truc, dès que j'ai fini l'amélioration de ma motorisation, car dès que je demande trop de couple, mes courroies patinent ... (ca fait un bout de temps que ça traine) Sinon, c'est comme ça que se présente le dispositif de filetage sur le tour Mikron, très proche à mon avis de ce qu'on peut trouver pour les tours schaublin : https://www.usinages.com/threads/mikron-t90-dispositif-de-filetage-photos.20362/ on y voit bien comment est fait le dispositif pour ajuster les engrenages. Dans ce fil y a la réalisation d'un prototype en bois, qui semble fonctionnel. Donc, si ca peut etre utile dans votre réalisation, c'est bien illustré ! Voilà, voilà , je me répète, mais je critique pas dutout le montage, qui m'a l'air parfaitement fonctionnel, surtout que personellement, je n'ai encore rien commencé. Je continue à suivre avec grand intéret votre projet ! Cordialement, Den  

Bonsoir Den merci pour le lien sur appareil Mikron en ce qui concerne les rainures , j' avais pensé à les utiliser pour brider dessus quatre paliers portant deux barres rondes et parallèles qui auraient servi à guider un chariot. c'est mon tour Lesto - première chose décente et utilisable que j'ai achetée - qui m'avait suggéré cette disposition . par contre il faut une super précision dans l'usinage des paliers pour eviter le vrillage et avoir un bon parallélisme des barres . le chariot d' origine pourrait être réutilisé bridé sur une semelle - montage Lesto . bien cordialement  

  • 27 Fev 2012

Bonjour Den j'ai cherché et pas retrouvé ... et ce matin le vendeur d' un 102 avec dispositif manuel de translation de chariot a remis la machine en vente sur LBC . on ne voit pas très bien le détail de la chose , je lui ai envoyé un mail pour lui demander des images supplémentaires . à suivre  

  • 25 Oct 2017

Bonjour copeaux 78 J'ai deux 102 dont un très complet avec un appareil que je pense être à charioter. Poulies alu sur la broche, liaison par courroie sur l'ensemble à charioter qui est situé dans l'encombrement de la poupée (assez complexe), levier d'embrayage/débrayage, sortie en rigide avec un axe rainuré coulissant (sans jeu!) liaison par cardan en bout du chariot longitudinal. Quatre étage de poulies qui donne donc quatre vitesses d'avance. Très curieusement je n'ai jamais vu ce dispositif sur aucun catalogue Schaublin et pourtant il est bien de la marque??? Visiblement il est à usage unique, chariotage, je ne pense pas que l'on puisse réaliser des filetages avec cet appareil parce qu'il n'y aurai que quatre pas possibles. Je ne peux pas insérer de photos pour l'instant, ayant déménagé depuis peu, 1 an et demi, tout le système est encore en carton. Les priorités n'étaient pas à la réinstallation de l'atelier... Je ne manquerai pas de poster quelques tofs aussitôt "l'outil" déterré. @+  

  • 26 Oct 2017

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Schaublin 102N VM versus Hardinge HLVH

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  • Nov 2, 2009

hlv vs 102 vm Spud-- after you run each ( especially threading), you'll definitely see why the hlvh is by far a superb machine, although the vm runs a close second . The hardinge doesn't have to be constantly lubed either. Markus  

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Markusfu said: Spud-- after you run each ( especially threading), you'll definitely see why the hlvh is by far a superb machine, although the vm runs a close second . The hardinge doesn't have to be constantly lubed either. Markus Click to expand...

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Screwmachine said: Don may correct me here, as I don't know the bigger machines, but wouldn't a 135 be more in the same league as an HLVH? Then the pricing is closer (but they don't make the 135 any more, do they?). Click to expand...

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  • Nov 3, 2009

I wondered similar things myself... First off, those prices are *definitely* out of date. I have a 2002 price sheet for the 102N-CF with cast-iron base: 30,700.- CHF, and a 2004 price list for 102N-VM-CF: 37,100.- CHF. With the US Dollar on it's knees, those prices are almost exactly equivalent to the price in USD. I've always figured that the Hardinge was a known quantity in the US. A machine all serious machinists were familiar with. Whereas the Schaublin is a much less well known machine in the States. I think if people knew how good they really were, they would sell for more in the U.S. A similar example is the Habegger clones of the Schaublin. They are equivalent in quality (I owned one, and I have a friend that has one), but usually sell for 1/3 the price of an equivalent Schaublin. I've also heard used Hardinge sells for less in the U.K. I work from a home shop, so my 1250 lb Schaublin 102N is about all I need or want to deal with having to move. The HLV weighs nearly twice as much, and the Monarch 10EE a third more than the HLV! I do envy the thread cutting capabilities of the HLV. W25 collets have nearly the same (1" max) capacity as 5C (which are called W31.75 in Switzerland). But they are far more costly and difficult to obtain. In case any of you are curious, this is my setup: Schaublin 102N-80 (1982) Cast Iron Base, W25, 380V with transformer New "N" style Inch and Metric carriages (cross slide, metric one is much tighter) MT2 (fixed) and W25 Starwheel tailstocks (both metric) Vertical Column (metric) and Milling Attachment (W20 collets)... the column needs rebuilding. Grinding Attachment (B8 collets) Geared Threading Attachment (drives cross slide with "driveshaft") Tripan toolpost I use both W20 and W25 collets, and I use B8 arbors and WW arbors in the grinding attachment. So I end up using three different Swiss collet styles.  

102 vs hlvh OKKKKKKKKKKK .... I stand corrected. I failed to notice the "N" after the 102. I was opening my big mouth thinking we were comaparing a regular 102 vm vs the hlvh. I own one of each and really do like the hardinge more than the schaublin. Markus  

I am surprised the HLVH doesn't seem popular in Europe (from my limited knowledge of seeing used machines for sale and pics of machinery in shops). One sees Schaublins and Weiler and other Euro lathes but never a HLVH. Is this an accurate impression? CinemaTechnic The 102N weights 1250 lbs? I had always thought my 102N weighed under 1000 lbs. Could you post pics of the lathe please, especially curious to see the screw cutting attachment.  

ALL Schaublin stands are very over-built cast iron affairs. That's where the weight is.  

Arthur.Marks said: ALL Schaublin stands are very over-built cast iron affairs. That's where the weight is. Click to expand...

To be fair, the top bed is really just a flat support. The carriage, I believe, runs on V-shaped ways that are located on the front and rear of the bed casting. At least, that is on the old 102-VM (see pic). Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the newer one is the same configuration.  

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I have posed this question quite a few times to fellow swiss loving machinist and the sad truth is they all respond with "buy a hardinge", the collets, accessories and parts are easily available and the hardinge will do everything the schaublin will do. But, with that being said, I still want that 125 on Don"s post above. It is akin to, why buy Ducati instead of Kawasaki, it is the cool factor. It is the care in the little details, how the swiss go above and beond in the fit and finish. I have several schaublin 70 lathes, a late model 13 mill, An aciera F1 Plus and I am just addicted to way the swiss machines are put together. So, the long of the short to me is, if you are buying the machine to earn a living, buy the Hardinge, if you just love using, lookin and polishing your machines nobody beats the swiss.  

  • Nov 4, 2009
Arthur.Marks said: Which would you choose: a 102-VM or a South Bend Heavy 10? Why? Click to expand...

Swiss Cast Iron... According to the manual, the 102N can weigh as much as 600 kg depending on equipment. Here's an estimate for mine: Schaublin TO-102N Head-Carriage-Tailstock 100 kg 105-80.000 Cast-Iron Base 300 kg 105-30.100 Countershaft 28 kg 105-81.000 Clutch and Brake 12 kg 76852.0538 Motor 26 kg 105-80.850 Electrics 13 kg Total (estimate) 479 kg 1056 lb Not counting the weight of the 3 phase internal transformer (about 30 kg 66 lb). I didn't weigh it when I had it out, but believe me it was hard to lift!  

Milacron said: To me that's like asking if you would choose a Ferrari or a Ford Taurus... answer depends on your situation, application and pricing. Click to expand...
Arthur.Marks said: I should have been more specific. An old, inch lead screw Schaublin 102vm or a NEW South Bend Heavy 10 (whenever those will be available... hopefully within a year?) Click to expand...

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Spud said: I am surprised the HLVH doesn't seem popular in Europe (from my limited knowledge of seeing used machines for sale and pics of machinery in shops). One sees Schaublins and Weiler and other Euro lathes but never a HLVH. Is this an accurate impression? . Click to expand...

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chariot tour schaublin 102

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Day 1: Panoramic city tour

Day 2: red square and kremlin, day 3: metro and arbat street, not included, start planning your tour.

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    Just picked up a Schaublin 102TO from most likely the 1950's (sn# 110104). It has the back-geared headstock set up for the W20 collets, the 150mm compound and the "sightglass" style tailstock. If I read the info I found correctly, the headstock should be designed to operate up to 3000RPM.

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  13. Schaublin 70 and 102 accessories

    Schaublin have produced a number of different types of grinding spindle for the SV70 and 102 lathes, some employing plain bearings others with ball bearings. Early grinding spindles for the SV70 employ B6 collets while B8 collets are used in both the later SV70 and SV102 devices. Plain bearing devices have a top speed of around 10,000 rpm while ...

  14. Schaublin 102N VM versus Hardinge HLVH

    The 102 has a slightly smaller collet than 5c when fitted for the w25. Schaublin used to offer 5c machines but I don't think that's an option on the newer machines. w20 and w25 collets are the standard here, like 5c there; would be a bit of a b!tch when an unusual collet is needed i.e. special order.

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