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The Demiurge is a Demon in the Megami Tensei franchise .

• 2.1 Shin Megami Tensei IV
• 2.2 Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
• 2.3 Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
• 3 Compendium
• 4.1 Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
• 4.2 Shin Megami Tensei IV
• 4.3 Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
• 4.4 Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
• 5 Nomenclature

The Demiurge, [a] literally meaning "craftsman" or "artisan," is a concept in Platonic philosophy. The Demiurge is the benevolent creator of the universe who seeks to create a world as good as possible. Plato first described this concept in his dialogue Timaeus .

The term was later applied to the creator of the material world in Gnosticism. Unlike Plato's Demiurge, the Gnostic Demiurge is typically seen in a negative light. Marcion of Sinope, while not a Gnostic himself, held a dualistic belief in two gods: the harsh God of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, and the higher, loving Good God of the New Testament, of whom Jesus preached. Valentinus, an early Gnostic theologian, would use this term as well, from whom other Gnostic sects adopted the term.

To Valentinus, the Demiurge was the God of the Old Testament, but he diverges from Marcion in that he believed the Demiurge was part of a complex cosmology consisting of Aeons, a series of emanations from the Father, who is known as the Bythos (the depth), and together they form the Pleroma (the fullness). The Aeon Sophia (wisdom) tried to emulate the unknowable Bythos and create an offspring, resulting in the Demiurge, for which Sophia was cast from the Pleroma. The Demiurge, ignorant of the Aeons and the Pleroma, proceeded to create the material world, and believes himself to be the supreme deity.

To other Gnostic sects, such as the Ophites and Sethians, the Demiurge was malevolent rather than simply ignorant as in Valentinus's system, and the Ophites gave him the name Ialdabaoth .

Shin Megami Tensei IV

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The Demiurge is the boss of the New City Hall dungeon. He is the true identity of city council member Yamashiro .

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• ↑ Greek: δημιουργός dēmiourgós
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(Shin Megami Tensei) Strange Journey Protagonist enters the Digimonverse

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• Start date Mar 8, 2017

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• Mar 8, 2017

Whose the strongest entity he can kill?  

Adamant soul

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Okay what kind of feats does the protagonist have?  

Adamant soul said: Okay what kind of feats does the protagonist have? Click to expand...

Fang said: Slaying Mem Aleph and fighting the Demiurge. Click to expand...

Guardian Beast

Adamant soul said: I'm going to assume, not having played the SMT games that those two are multiversal to some degree. So Digimon's going to need top tiers at the very least. Click to expand...

HouseScarlet

I haven't exactly played Strange Journey, but where was it that mentions Mem Aleph creating the Schwarzwelt? I remember explicitly that it was created from human' corruption of the environment from a Let's Play I watched, but I'm probably wrong.  

Blakk Jakk said: Mem Aleph created a multiverse with several dimensions (although I've heard that they may be infinite or countless or something to that effect) while in her weaker form and asleep. Demiurge is one of YHVH's stronger avatars and casually backhanded Metatron who's also well into the multiversal range himself, probably even multiversal+. Been awhile since I last played SJ so I'm probably fudging some details. Hopefully Fang will correct any errors I made here. Click to expand...

HouseScarlet said: I haven't exactly played Strange Journey, but where was it that mentions Mem Aleph creating the Schwarzwelt? I remember explicitly that it was created from human' corruption of the environment from a Let's Play I watched, but I'm probably wrong. Click to expand...

Gotcha. I actually memorized the quote about the Cosmic Egg's destructive abilities. Arthur : "Arthur: "These Cosmic Eggs have enough energy to create and/or swallow an entire space-time continuum. It is this energy that Mem Aleph intends to use to reconstruct the Earth. Plan Omega is to take this energy for our own purposes and use it to destroy the Schwarzwelt."  

I think he may reach up to Zeed.  

Fang said: Mem Aleph ripped apart a weakened Demiurge into two fragments and sealed him in a separate dimension, when he entered the Schwarzwelt trying to stop her and the other Mothers. The Schwarzwelt is a dimension that has infinitely expansive and layered universes atop each other that she created in her base form as well as being the Mother of all demon kind. Sectors Antilla, Bootes, Carina, Delphinus, Eridanus, Fornax, Grus, and Horologrim. Each one of these sub-dimensions were confirmed by Arthur and Zelenin, to be actual infinitely sized universes. And to escape to a different universe, the Protagonist had to defeat each of the Tyrants and Mothers maintaining and powering said "sectors" with their powers. Anyway an enraged Demiurge OHKO'd Metatron, whose the strongest regular avatar of YHVH. Said Metatron is vastly above Kagutuschi who creates and destroys endless and countless universes with the Conception in the Amala Universe in a place "beyond time and space" as we saw in Shin Megami Tensei III/Nocturne. Protagonist beat him (Demiurge) and Empty Mem Aleph, Mem Aleph's strongest form who outright attacks with reality warping. Same Mem Aleph in base form can shake said multiverse with her breath while sleeping and even before being enhanced and amped by Ubergestalt Gore, after defeating all of the previous Mothers and tyrants, could not even see her true form at all. By Commander Gore, Arthur, and every one else. It also can not be destroyed without using the Cosmic Egg which has all of Mem Aleph's power in it. Click to expand...

Adamant soul said: Sounds comparable to Darkness Bagramon who would have pulled together the infinite number of universes that make up the digimon multiverse and combined them into one large universe were he not one-shotted by Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode. Well I say one-shotted but he did block one attack with his bone arm, called the brave snatcher (which contains more than half of his power). In Young Hunters that arm is retrieved and used to one-shot another multiversal named Quartzmon who Mem Aleph and the Demiurge probably beat. I'd say Darkness Bagramon could take them or at least put up a fight. Click to expand...

Fang said: Like I said, that was YVHV's far weaker avatar Kagutuschi who did that and both Metatron and Demiurge are astronomically above him. Said weakened Demiurge one-shotted Metatron with a bitch-slap and and a stronger version of Demiurge fused with said Metatron before this got wrecked by Mem Aleph. Also its implied heavily she's omnipresent within the Schwarzwelt. And Tadano/SJ Protagonist scales to this low-end atop of being immune to time-stops: Click to expand...

Blakk Jakk said: If you don't mind, refresh my memory on this. Was it Mem Aleph in her Mother form or her much stronger Empty form? I'm fairly sure it was just her Mother self. Click to expand...

Adamant soul said: Apollomon Whispered, one of Bagramon's generals created the hell zone, a dimension of infinite size. Click to expand...

A greatly weakened Bagramon, disguised as an old man, was still able to travel between universes to gather the protagonists of all the seasons of digimon so they could retrieve his right arm (the Brave Snatcher). Just to get it required the combined energy of all 6 of the main heroes and their digimon's strongest forms. It then one-shotted a being (Quartzmon) that had created his own dimension called the digi-quartz that was consuming the whole multiverse. Click to expand...

The brave snatcher contains a large part of Bagramon's power (over half of it) but still not all of it and it one-shotted a multiversal being. Darkness Bagramon's fire attacks erase data on contact, Click to expand...

digimon has consistently shown that normal matter might as well be data to them, it makes no difference. The brave snatcher destroys the very souls of anything that arm comes into contact with. A casual attack from his left arm (the weaker one) destroyed a digital world made up of numerous dimensions called zones, created another dimension and stranded the heroes there before he left for the real world. Click to expand...

If you're wondering the reason why there's a difference in power between his left and right arms is because he had the right side of his body destroyed at one point but used pieces of Yggdrasil's body (basically a god of the digital world) which powered him up massively, gave him knowledge of everything and something about control over life and death (I think, this was in the manga and I didn't read the manga). Still think Darkness Bagramon has a chance here, anyone stronger than him definitely beats them. Click to expand...

Shin Megami Tensei IV Compendium said: The ash tree known as the World Tree in Norse lore. Its branches cover the entire earth, and its trunk pierces the sky and holds up several worlds, including Alfheim, the abode of the Light Elves. Its three roots stretch into Jotunheim, Niflheim, and Asgard. It is said that it will live through Ragnarok. Click to expand...

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Deep/redux theories.

• Confirmed on all accounts: it's Jun Hirose, the Deathtament manga confirms the Protagonist's Japanese nationality, and due to No Dub for You Hirose's lines are in all versions of Redux .
• Nolan North . He'd be the everyman hero he usually is.
• Jennifer Hale . She's never done SMT before (as far as this troper knows) so that would be interesting.
• Cristina Valenzuela . She pulled off an impressive Russian-ish accent for Athena in Fire Emblem Heroes .
• Steve Blum . He could definitely do that baritone rebel voice that Jimenez embodies.
• All non-Japanese guesses Jossed as No Dub for You is in full effect.

Alex is somehow related to Aleph. Besides both names starting with Ale-, the letter x looks a bit like the letter Aleph. Either she's related to the main character of SMT 2, or she's related to Mem Aleph.

Alex's father is the protagonist. It's already established that Louisa Ferre is her mother and her father is human. The main argument for this theory is an addition to Louisa Ferre's first scene in which she walks through the protagonist before disappearing. This would be the moment of conception, and as it's fairly early into the game, it happens no matter what route you end up taking. It would also be a demonic, gender-flipped version of the Virgin Birth, which fits the game's themes of motherhood, which were amped up in Redux . She also looks a little like a feminine version of the protagonist.

The Schwarzwelt doesn't appear in response to humanity's vices; it was just made so the demons could control the Earth. It seems odd that in the Neutral+ ending the Schwarzwelt keeps appearing despite the fact the Earth is still pristine and humanity is still thriving. Even if they haven't entirely learned their lesson, they're at the very least keeping themselves in check. Considering the regular Law, Neutral and Chaos endings in Redux have proved that the angels and demons don't give a damn if humanity disappeared entirely, gaining control of the Earth has always been the main purpose for the creation of the Schwarzwelt, and it's clear each iteration of it appearing is the the demons giving humanity a giant "fuck you" for still being around at all.

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